Censoring Social Media Will Worsen UK RiotsAdded: Friday, August 26th, 2011
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Numerous studies have surfaced in Europe which might serve against UK Prime Minister should he make an attempt to censor social media.
Just a week ago David Cameron claimed that he wanted to “stop people from communicating” on social networks like Twitter and Facebook, because they were used for finding ways of participating in riots. However, the industry observers considered this suggestion unwise, since whatever the Prime Minister meant particularly, there were still too many ways of getting around it.
Anyway, state media in China was quick to take full advantage of the situation in the United Kingdom and praised the move, expressing the idea that Europe is currently censoring the web in order to justify the countries’ own censorship. Undoubtedly, it was very much a surreal moment when praise was coming from China over a western country willing to introduce a political censorship regime online.
Recently, a study conducted by Telecom ParisTech revealed that the attempts to censor civil unrest would only make matters worse if the government’s goal was to stop rioting. The study was based on modelling the behaviour of crowds during civil unrest. The model in question suggested that the decision of a person to express dissatisfaction is generally determined by its active neighbourhood. If an individual sees social police around them, they would act only if a sufficient number of demonstrators offset the police presence. According to the model, even if the vision of neighbourhood was close to zero (an individual couldn’t know where to find a group of rioters, or places where the police are absent), the level of violence still remained high. Civil unrest that has taken place in Tunisia and Egypt can be considered a real world example of what web censoring causes. Indeed, when certain countries make attempts to censor the web, it usually reflects poorly on the government, particularly in countries on the African continent.
So, considering the riots in the United Kingdom, some might think that a crackdown on social networks is not a bad idea, but the studies provided by different researchers prove that censoring social media in the times of civil unrest is a very unwise move. Well, if the government of the United Kingdom is currently more focused on gang activity, they are free to decide. However, many would agree that censoring social media is not a very bright move.
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Friday, August 26th, 2011
|whatever next they monitor us on the street, they tell us where we can and cannot smoke, the newest law is you get caught swearing in public u get fined. now they're on about censoring social media and i thought this was a free world what a load of crap why dont they just lock us all up then that way we wont get into any trouble.and this is what were bringing our childen into good luck 4 the future kids you gonna need it.soon you wont be able to fart in public you'll get done for noise pollution what a lovely world we live in.....|
|Cameron doesn't have a fúcking clue, he's grasping at straws...|
When he's not an a holiday anyway...
|Not really sure how the government could control Facebook when there is social unrest about.|
Given the amount of social unrest in Britain, largely for Brown's and Blair's previous actions and non-actions, could this lead to an indefinite suspension of access to Facebook accounts throughout the UK? Especially if Cameron doesn't back down on 'welfare reforms' which are actually very serious welfare cuts. It really comes to something when the review bodies themselves say many more disabled people will be made homeless as a result.
Tackling the root cause of social unrest and rioting is far more important than trying to stop social communication, much of which seemingly took place via the Blackberry network which is not monitorable by the Police.
Anything which hurts the poorer section of the community (who are already as poorly off as many in Third World countries ie no disposable income, serious risk of losing a roof over their heads, unable to afford heating (The UK regularly has whole months where temperatures stay below freezing in the winter, especially in the north, though not unknown across the whole of Britain) and people getting deeper and deeper into serious debt), will most surely cause some kind of serious back-lash.
We can't be far off mass demonstrations(ie millions of people) demonstrating on the streets in Britain. Once busy commuter streets are blocked by a multitude of people demonstrating peacefully, will this ALSO be called social unrest?
Most of all though, all it takes is for people to send a message around to use a non-UK based 'anonymous' forum to send messages around, or to use 'coded meassages' via Facebook or similar. The government can't stop Internet communication short of cutting off the UK Internet, which in itself would make millions demonstrate or riot, quite aside of multi-billion lawsuits from very rich corporations.
Similarly, short of disabling the entire mobile phone network across Britain, I don't see how they can prevent social communication across the UK at times of rioting. I say times of rioting as this surely isn't the first and last such time. I'm just surprised rioting hasn't started sooner and myself predicted riots within the next 5 or 10 years.
The best way of stopping rioting is stopping huge banker bonuses (and fatcat corporation/council senior executive 20% or more pay increases a year culture), stopping 'stupid' profit levels by large companies and the oil and untility companies (Tesco's increased their profits by 8% when the rest of us are suffering 5% cuts per annum), and acting to stabilze food prices.
People have been rioting in Britain because they see no future prospects work-wise, and know low paid jobs cause very little if any benfit to themselves. They find it harder and harder to afford food to eat and know they face long cold winters ahead, and see themselves under attack from a government that is seen to support the very well-off at the expense of everyone else, and they can't even relax with a drink or two as alcohol costs so much. Is it any wonder people have been rioting?
First, bet you've never gone short in your life, except when you haven't gotten to the loo quickly enough!
Sure there are a minority of scroungers, and some rioters can afford Blackberries (£15 a month on some contracts, phone free)
Unfortunately helping themselves by looting is the only way many youngsters can help themself, as they have NO job prospects.
European workers can often find jobs either because they have a lot of lolly coming into the country and can afford upmarket accomodation, or set up self-employment, or they are temporary jobs that won't employ British workers as they'd have to pay all the employer contributions, which many employers simply don't do for foreign workers. It can also be remarkably difficult to relieve a UK citizen of some jobs without a lot of hassle.
My point is that if the government clobbers ALL bebefit claimants, including the genuinely disabled just to hit a minority who are sponging it, where does this leave all the GENUINE benefit claimants.
5 Million people in Britain are as poor as poor people in Third World Countries (mostly hot, so there is some natural food and no wretchedly cold winters!). This in the long term will lead to a huge amount of potential trouble.
Something like 99.5% of the wealth in the UK in the UK is owned by one half a percent of the population.
This means for every £20 (divide by 400) £19.95 is owned by the 1 in 200 wealthy leaving 5p to distribute among the remaining 199 out of 200 people. No wonder so many people in the UK are very wretchedly poor.
The AVERAGE (including the better off) family income in Ebbw Vale and many valleys in S Wales and the North-East is just over £2000 per year per FAMILY, not per person.
So Gaspode BEFORE YOU GO PONTIFICATING, YOU try living as a single person on £2000 a year. Then think what this must be like for a FAMILY.
|Re Gaspode 2|
Secondly, I DON'T condone rioting, but it is certainly caused by donkeys years of unfettered or unbridled capitalism, supported by the 'likes' of damned Thatcher, damned Brown and damned Blair as well as Cameron's mob, to boot.
As for mass peaceful demonstrations stopping bankers and many senior executives getting to work (and earning that 'nice' lttle 'extra' bonus) I guarantee within less than an hour of busy roads and throughfares being blocked that the Police, acting on Government orders would be reading the riot act and going in with threatening force against said PEACEFUL demonstrators.
Just be very glad YOU are not one of the real and genuine EXTREMELY POOR who happen to live in the UK.
The real world in the USA, not often made public is the desperately poor in the USA DYING of starvation in the streets and dying of treatable illness where they can't find charity medical help.
The real world in the UK is people dying of starvation and/or dying of cold and hypothermia! This is NOT liberal minded waffle, it's the TRUTH and plain FACT. Ask any coroner.
Wake Up Gaspode (doesn't sound a British name anyway?). Get REAL.
|Shiny-faced Cameron and his Children of Thatcher have never lived in modern-day Britain; they've spent the entirety of their privileged little lives sheltered in the luxury of their own private Narnias. They should stop claiming to speak for Britain and they should stop trying to complete Thatcher's plan to reshape Britain into a mini-USA, because they certainly don't represent the vast majority of people of Britain. The Tories never have and they never will.|
|sucks to be them|
|posted by (2011-08-27 15:53:47)|
|@ livensflame, fully agree, it seems that politicians main concern is current popularity ratings rather than issues within the populace. Bring back the monster raving loony party, at least they were honest about being a joke.|
|posted by (2011-08-27 16:09:48)|
As a child of working class parents and someone who left school at the height of the 80's unemployment I can assure you I have 'gone short' of plenty. There's is a significant difference in changing things yourself to improve your conditions and prospects than there is to finding someone else to blame for your circumstances and having a strop with a shop window because no-one is doing everything for you and you can't cope. I chose the former and as such I don't need to go out and steal, I can afford to purchase things I want using the novel concept called wages.
A few points I must question in your argument though,
If scroungers can afford £216 per annum for a contract phone then clearly the benefits they receive can be reduced as benefits are to provide what is needed not what is wanted and thus are excessive as a Blackberry is not an essential item. But then how would someone who has never worked, with only benefits as income pass the checks for a contract phone?
Please explain how committing an act of theft is helping yourself? The only thing you are helping yourself to is other peoples property and that is theft therefore a crime, therefore not something you would put on a CV to any potential employer. Sorry but I'm still trying to work out how that helps them improve their prospects for employment. Please feel free to explain.
EU workers can often find jobs because they can be bothered looking and will take a job UK workers deem below them. What upmarket accommodation has to do with the point still eludes me. Temporary jobs are still jobs and can often lead to permanent positions, been there done that. Employing someone or not because of their country of origin is illegal and any instances of such should be reported, that's common sense. And as for dismissing a UK worker there are requirements and procedures that need to be adhered to unless the employer wishes to find themselves at a tribunal, again, been there done that.
Please read what is put properly, the Welfare Reforms are coming in to stop people claiming benefits that shouldn't be doing, or don't need to. It's really very simple.
5 Million people in Britain are as poor as poor people in Third World Countries - Sorry but where is the proof? Yes there is poverty but what kind are you talking about? If by third world country then 5 million people in the UK have no access to the basic needs of food, water, shelter and clothing? which is known as absolute poverty by the way. I think there would be serious coverage of such a appalling state within a developed country don't you? Or do you mean median poverty? by which the middle level of income is used and those judged in poverty are below this?
The AVERAGE (including the better off) family income in Ebbw Vale and many valleys in S Wales and the North-East is just over £2000 per year per FAMILY, not per person. Sorry but these figures are out of context. The average figures for a single UK benefit claimant £2340 but fails to take in to account that the amount is for job seekers allowance and completely ignores additional benefits such as housing etc etc. Don't stack your facts out of context, it makes you look ill-informed.
The alternative to capitalism then? communism? socialism? go on name one, they ALL have problems.
As a working union man for the last 30 years I agree that peaceful demonstrations are vital to the protection of rights, jobs and workers conditions, but rioting, looting, theft, assault and murder are criminal acts and NOTHING to do with demonstrations against poverty and business excesses. Police don't act on government orders, they act on the rule of law, a vital fact in any democracy.
I am not one of the extremely poor as I work hard long hours to ensure this is not the case. And what has the US to do with it?
People die of starvation and hypothermia every year this IS true and it IS fact but I think any figures you could provide would be very small and work against your argument. You may as well point out how many die failing to come off dependency on drugs because of a lack of trained counselors, or to say how many thousands are killed by incompetent drivers on UK roads every year? Many victims being children? Shall we organize a window breaking, television stealing, shop keepers son killing demonstration because of it?
And to make the point, I have lived alone on benefits in Thatchers Britain with 3,400,000 unemployed which is why I decided to go out and change things for myself, not expect someone else to pay for me to sit on my arse, nor would i allow some liberal minded easily led badly informed mouth peace, whos facts are worthy of tabloid newspapers, make lame inaccurate excuses for me. As for getting REAL, living in inner city Manchester and Salford all my life has made me very real indeed.
Last point - You must be very very well read with being able to judge so many books by their covers.
|@Gaspode, There is nothing I can or need to add to your response to Chazzo. I agree 100% with your "facts". Thanks for saving me from having to do all the typing and cheers for having the balls to stand up and say it.|
|posted by (2011-08-28 02:31:48)|
|if cameron starts to censor media ill start a fukn riot myself|
|The UK nor the US would NEVER do something so blatantly against what they claim to oppose from other Countries. Not ever going to happen.||
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