UK Police Arrested Man for Virtually Burning a PoppyAdded: Monday, November 19th, 2012
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Free speech advocates have recently been infuriated by Kent coppers who arrested an individual for a Facebook post showing a photo of a burning poppy on Remembrance Sunday.
The police have issued a statement saying that an individual from Aylesham had been arrested on suspicion of malicious telecommunications. They confirmed that the man was arrested because of a posting on a social network website of a burning poppy. At the moment, the defendant is in police custody awaiting interview.
Apparently, the industry experts are a bit confused, since this is the sort of thing they expected to hear from the US authorities rather than the civilized parts of Kent. Twitter users have even pointed out that there’s no point of winning either World War if nowadays a person can be arrested for burning a poppy. They also admit that burning a poppy might be obnoxious, but still isn’t considered a criminal offence.
However, the UK police claimed that the arrest was made under section 127 of the Communications Act, under which an individual can be guilty of an offence in case he or she “send by means of a public electronic communications network a message or other matter that is grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene or menacing character”. Still, it remains unclear what exactly is “grossly offensive”, rather than just offensive. Apparently, this word is purely subjective.
Monday, November 19th, 2012
|posted by (2012-11-19 12:02:10)|
|Total bullspit...never hold up in court. I disagree with what the individual did but its not a criminal offence. Internet police here it comes!|
|posted by (2012-11-19 13:42:25)|
|it may be wrong to do this moraly but surely if he posted a pic to facebook it was only directed to friends who would find it funny not offensive.Nearly every picture posted on facebook could offend someone.or maybe its a new goverment act to make more money|
|posted by (2012-11-19 13:48:40)|
|it's britian, what do you expect.|
|UK forces died in vain, it's this kind of fascism they fought against.|
|I wonder if they'd arrest you for posting a photo of a drowning poppy?|
|If i put a vid of someone burning the koran/quran on twatbook i`d be banged straight up, and get a worse punishment than the person who put that vid on. At least we can spell in B-r-i-t-a-i-n FellAway|
|posted by (2012-11-19 15:28:48)|
|"under which an individual can be guilty of an offense in case he or she “send by means of a public electronic communications network a message or other matter that is grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene or menacing character"|
ok if you say so. I see offensive stuff all the time on the web, and do the persons that post that stuff get arrested? NO
|So here I sit wondering what significance this has in your culture?? It means nothing to me. Without that knowledge it all sounds pretty strange. I'm sure it will still sound strange after I finish my research and burn a little flower/bud of my own at 420....... Yes, I know that can get me arrested as well! On another note: I think it's pretty offensive for overly FAT chicks to wear very tight pants. Can we get them arrested too??|
|posted by (2012-11-19 16:58:49)|
|@#9 @#4 the poppy is used as a symbol of remembrance for all the people who have died in war. It comes about from the ability of the poppy seeds to survive many years in the soil waiting for the right environment to germinate. Those conditions prevailed in the areas of heavy fighting with explosions upheaving the soil where the seeds germinated in the light and were able to grow and flower. So the poppy stood as a symbol not just of heavy casualties but of regrowth and hope. The USA has a Veterans day national holida and in the UK there is a Remembrance Sunday and on the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month people all over the nation observe a silence in honour of the dead and injured.|
|posted by (2012-11-19 17:03:44)|
|Oh sod it #4 keeps getting in to my posts so I give up and it can stay there.|
Pretty nasty tho to burn a symbol that represented all those people who fought died and suffered for the sake of this persons freedom.
Pink Floyd. The Final Cut.
A mute reminder of the poppy fields and graves
And when the fight was over
We spent what they had made
|This makes me think of the trolls telling Americans to "get over" 9/11 because it was a "long time ago". Wearing poppies 70 years on? We've only begun to mourn.|
|This is just the beginning of internet law, each country will have it's own laws, as they do now with piracy.|
It could be the case at some point that something seen innocent here in the UK could be completely against the law of the internet in another.
Does that mean deportation to said country???
Makes me think sometimes about what our societies will be doing in the future, What will be the next thing we aren't allowed to do.
Think about movie "The Island" with Ewan McGregger. Go to the toilet only told you can't have bacon that week....
|posted by (2012-11-19 17:29:51)|
|wat a crok of poop|
|posted by (2012-11-19 17:59:47)|
|i might be ignorant but what is a poppy and what would the significance of burning one be??? are you talking about the flower???|
|posted by (2012-11-19 18:01:41)|
|if you are talking about the flower how can this be deemed offensive???|
|what is morally wrong with burning a poppy? what is morally wrong is people who think that other people should be controlled like babies for their whole life, People wake UP for DUCKS sake, all we are anymore are prisoners with less restrictions and lighter custody. Seriously who cares really?|
|posted by (2012-11-19 18:08:13)|
|oh i see the significance now ..but arrest is unwarranted!!!!!|
|posted by (2012-11-19 18:14:05)|
|hey @captcosmo i think fat chics in tight pant are sexy!!!|
|from the US authorities rather than the civilized parts of Kent"|
Wow Sam, never expected you to write garbage like that... I think this will be the last time I read any of your post, this is comeplete garbage, and you have to be pretty uncivilized to talk down to another country like that.
Especially if your from india and your calling the UK civilized, or do you not know your own origins, the UK enslaved your people for nearly 100 years.
|but its okay for muslims to burn poppys on remembrance sunday as all the war vets do there parade but yet none of them get arrested but as soon as any of us say we'll burn the koran you all flay your arms like apoo and scream kill all infidels. its a flucking p1ss take if you ask me|
|the last british soldiers were in the 1970s all the soliders since then have been nothing more then mercs and scum who deserve a slow and painful death|
|posted by (2012-11-19 20:00:08)|
|I think that if the Police are alerted to a crime then they have a duty to investigate it. I have been arrested myself during Police enquiries, so don't over emphasise the importance of the arrest.|
I think it is only right to have 'internet laws' like this myself. The virtual world is not a 100% separate entity - it overlaps and influences the non-virtual world. It affects people, virtual or not. Otherwise we could be in a silly situation where I could offer to cut someones tongue out in person and get arrested for it, or send them the same threat via a 'virtual message' and not be hindered in the slightest.
#21 I agree totally but some circles just don't like that insight or that type of talk.
|posted by (2012-11-19 20:35:24)|
|it all comes down to respect ...our government havnt respected the eastern world from day 1 , so i can see the anger from them against us english, our government has never done anything but rob and steal from the world like america does........and im 100% british and i dont agree with how we treat people around the world ..its like saying we own everything becouse we have powerfull military backing us (america) its time everyone realised these wars are not from the people there from people high up above the governments.......we are all one on this planet but they want to divide us and inslave us to there ways...|
|@ #19 - The emphasis was on the word "OVERLY", not "FAT". I prefer full bodied women. I don't think watching a skinny chick count her ribs in a mirror is sexy, after all, some of us do like to eat! (Borrowed from the Foamy Squirrel)|
@@ #10 - Thanks for the explanation, it makes a little more sense now - But Arrested doesn't make sense.....
|Apparently, the industry experts are a bit confused, since this is the sort of thing they expected to hear from the US authorities rather than the civilized parts of Kent. <<<<<< yeah certainly lends credibility to whomever wrote this tripe.. Oo|
|So if Britain gets upset over burning a flower, how mad do they get over walking on the grass?|
|dont walk on the grass less you be ready for radiation death|
|They'll arrest some idiot on a website for a picture of a burning poppy by wont arrest islamists who do it in public.. wwhhhuuuut?|
|posted by (2012-11-20 12:42:00)|
|if it wasn't for the soldiers that died to keep us free perhaps we would all be German by now it's called RESPECT and perhaps this toerag needs to learn some or have some knocked into him|
|posted by (2012-11-20 12:43:05)|
|Sorry rant over now|
|nice one doozy, he needs something knocked into him.|
|A number of incorrect items here AND some details missed.|
1. The clown who burned the poppy last year was arrested, charged and fined for that.
2. The clown this year was NOT arrested for the picture of him burning a poppy (though he should have been) he was arrested because of the highly offensive and profane language that went along with the picture.
3. The Koran is a religious text whereas currently the Legion Poppy is not so they are not covered by the same laws.
4. For those of you outside the UK the reason his actions were so offensive to many people is because the Poppy he burned was not just a flower but a physical representation of the many thousands of men and woman who have made the greatest sacrifice to defend our lands, it does not represent just the UK dead but the dead of all the Commonwealth nations. The money made from each poppy sold is used to provide a measure of medical and financial support to injured service personnel and their familes in time of need. For me and many others he deserves far more than the 50 quid fine he will probably get if they can make it stick.
|^^ agreed totally its what the poppy represents.if we came to america and pissed in ur memorial where the twin towers stood im sure u would be feeling pretty upset.well this poppy represents hundreds of thousands of brave men & woman who gave the ultimate sacrifice so we could have the internet,and many other things. IT'S MORALLY WRONG|
|Not really 34... If we got mad and shed blood, or caused violence over a memorial for those who died for our freedom, then we would be disgracing their memories.|
|Smacking the idiot up the side of the head might seem like a good idea, but I doubt he would learn anything. I would like to see him sent to do some community service with injured service personnel or Squaddie [email protected] as he referred to them on his original posting. Perhaps education would serve better in this case.|
|@35 where did i mention shedding blood? what i said was if someone desecrate's something that stands for hundreds and thousands of deaths it's morally wrong. i did not mention once about taking revenge for such a thing. we have laws for that sort of thing.|
|blah,blah,babble and ignorance,Firstly lets talk about the soldiers who died and a fair few of them were Muslims including the 212 muslim soldiers from the American forces in Iraq as well as British Muslim soldiers in many campaigns from several wars.|
2nd not all Muslims burn poppies and it is extremists that are doing this or those facebook trolls that want to get hits on their site as well as hatemongers who are circulating pictures of Cenotaphs with the slogan if you don`t like it f off home emblazoned across monuments.
Muslims would have every right to kick off about someone burning the Koran as would a Christian if you burned his bible whereas a flower is a symbol but in the real world is just that and the Law regarding Internet offences has been around since the days of the GPO before the Royal Mail was privatised and is nothing new,hope we are now all enlightened and just for one or two other Muslim bashers look up Muslims in the British forces if you are smart enough to google and see that not only are they serving in all the Armed services today but have been for hundreds of years,dare you to walk up to one of them and burn the Koran and see yourself getting curb stomped for being a fascist neo-nazi.
|BTW I am British and my ancestry goes back to 700ad well before 90 percent of those of German,Norman,Roman ,etc,etc,descendants that call themselves English including HM queen Elizabeth who is from the House of Hanover (German),All my family including myself have served in the armed forces,Air,Navy and Army including my nephews one of which did 3 tours in Basra and Fallujah so it really is a condemnation on all those who talk fascist BS about Muslims and Internet policing being a new thing,what is new is the breed of men who think they have a right to Interpret for others what is so offensive that one has to be arrested for it or told to get out of his own country,the Influences of the EDL and BNP are very subtle in the UK but have led to mass murders in Norway and riots and some pretty appalling racist BS so pull in your necks (you Know who you are),a good article Sam .|
|PS also google Muslims selling poppies for the British Legion|
|posted by (2012-11-21 22:36:46)|
|This makes me so mad, yes the guy was a bit of a dick but this was disrespect not a criminal matter. And as for religion coming in to it. Wake up and break down religion for what it really is, and that is being able to shout out my imaginary friend is bigger than yours.|
This is only the start of it we all know FB is a spying tool and this is just another bit of proof of that.
|FYI the Poppy has been a symbol of remembrance since WW1 and the Somme offensive so well over 70 years one of my grandfathers served in WW1 and a total of over 8.5m were killed in the war,lest we forget and are doomed to repeat the mistakes of our past.|
|well put Thorr66,I am a Christian BTW and have read the Koran in which the archangel Gabriel (also in Christian txt`s) passed the word of god verbatim to Mohammed and Jesus is also mentioned as a prophet so along with the guidlines it runs parallel to the bible in what message it gives in living what is basically a Christian lifestyle through Parables written by Clerics to control the masses,neither religion is better than the other as they both say the same thing and are open as with all religions to interpretation.|
|FB,my space,Beebo have all been created by the powers that be and are all used to monitor the Internet and have since around 2000,in 2001 the director of the CIA came out with the Global Cyber strategy in conjunction with the NSA and basically hold to the same ideals as Cyber @ fort meade do today.|
|In 2013 the British police are launching their own Internet task force and will be doing basically what the Americans Homeland security,FBI,CIA do in monitoring citizens internet activities,so heads up people.|
|What good is a stupid poppy to remember the war when all you know about the war is a scripted story full of lies and left out information concerning the true causes and reasons of the wars. Most wars like that are probably planned well in advance, I'm talking decades. They don't spontaneously erupt. For example their are books written by albert pike (head of the world freemasons)like 150 years ago where they plan 3 world wars to bring about a new world order. Google it. Germany and England might have been best friends during the wars for all you brainwashed, text book and tv believing people would know. You likely havent got a clue as to how the world works or whats going on because you believe the news, and school and magazines aren't deliberately lying and pulling your strings like a puppeteer. You can listen to speeches from the 50's where they talk about a 3rd world war started at the upcoming turn of the century that would take place in the middle east. Muslims and Christians both are being played like puppets.|
|posted by (2012-11-22 10:39:27)|
|As a UK resident in my 60's, I have watched the British police force change from a force which had respect to a laughing stock today. Every day there are stories like this and worse.|
|The British police for the most part do a good job in what they do with the limited resources at their disposal albeit they are undermanned and the community police are ineffective since they only have limited powers and have not the full training and knowledge of the law that full time officers have,the fact that a law was used to arrest the individual in question that is primarily to prevent harassment and offensive behaviour is not their fault the laws are not made by the police only upheld by them and subject to arrest it is up to the crown prosecution service to decide whether or not the charge will actually warrant further action.If there was more money in the country most would opt to have a fully manned and fully trained force to protect and serve but with a recession caused by ill advised,corrupt and incompetent politicians what can they do,as regards the world wars and Albert Pike theory it must be said it is not freemasons that decide the fate of the world but organisations involving world leaders like the Bilderbergers who hold closed door meetings and do discuss how to rule the world which is anti democratic and which Margaret Thatcher declined to be a part of since it was to her undemocratic and contrary to the interests of the country (she was the only world leader to have declined their annual invitation)which cannot be said for George Bush and others including Tony Blair who later was caught lying about such and we know he profited by 25 million from Iraq and is still in the Government seeing to overseas affairs which just makes me cringe.|
|posted by (2012-11-23 02:52:47)|
|Did you know it can cause great offence if sharing was frowned upon in Australia. The English would only discover years from now the effect it brings foward to their people. Sharing is common play anyway, in Australia. Some schools only host to 32 students overall. This is only concidered locally to a city. The 80s are gone though but the remote fact still is legend. The Green and Gold is legacy.|
Attitude reflect from here too, careful, you can make a wrong sound so right. I am innocent. You can not declear otherwise. Australia still is and always be a great soverign. We give thanks and find King and even Lord reflect back to the ancient land.
From Egypt to Melbourne frogs and water lava and more. We have it all. Gold and feet, winners and sitters.
|posted by (2012-11-23 05:22:07)|
|when i pay for something with my money ill do as i wish with it even if its a poppy the us flag the koran or bible if you dont like it give them for free or f-off|
|posted by (2012-11-24 13:57:55)|
|that easy @ post nr50 even a poppy got right like you do||
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