UK Highway Cameras Appeared UselessAdded: Saturday, December 29th, 2012
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It recently turned out that the advanced snooping technology of the British Highways Agency has proved so useless that no drivers at all have received tickets for speeding on the M25.
Although a lot of users of the largest carpark in the world may be surprised that anyone could go fast enough to get a speeding ticket, it’s clear that at least someone must have got past 70 miles per hour during the past year. Local newspapers explained that certain technical and legal difficulties were the reason why the Highways Agency couldn’t switch on the network of 36 new digital cameras.
The cameras were purchased and installed in order to enforce variable speed limits on the London orbital motorway. It was found out that the equipment was wasted only after AOL wondered which section of the road netted the most cash. Surprisingly enough, it turned out that the cameras had caught no speeders at all.
After the first digital camera was installed three years ago, the Highways Agency representative admitted that it had still not received statutory authority to use them in a number of English counties. In the meantime, in other parts of the road, the difficulties were “technical”, with the older generation of “wet film” cameras being upgraded to new digital devices. However, it also turned out that for some reason in a few counties these cameras haven’t even been tested.
The Highways Agency representative failed to reveal how much the overhead cameras had cost or when the organization would be able to use them. In the meanwhile, Jim Fitzpatrick, Labour’s road safety spokesperson, pointed out that the M25 was widely used as a racetrack by many reckless drivers, so it was ridiculous that the network didn’t work.
According to Claire Armstrong, representing the anti-camera group named Safespeed, there’s the only question: if the Highways Agency believed that the cameras were any good, then why wasn’t the outfit using them?
December 29th,2012Posted by:
Saturday, December 29th, 2012
|posted by (2012-12-29 17:09:52)|
|the big question is has the accident rate gone up or down since they were|
turned off . just to see if nicking people works or not . i doubt it i bet
it stayed the same .
|eNdEmiOn, How would it be, if someone whacked you over the head and took all your money right under a cctv camera and you found later that the camera wasn't working or even tested. You would be the first to bitch about it. I would like to see cameras that work in full HD and with face recognition software on every street corner. If you've nothing to hide then why should you care. It would make street crime drop to near nothing. no-one is being spied upon, the camera is zoomed out to see the whole picture and only zoom's in when something suspicious is spotted. There is no need for paranoia.|
You said it man
Hats-Off to your comment
I couldn't have said it better myself
|I'm with 'wingit3' on this one. especially in busy city centers. though I'm not in favor of tracking software, granted the database would be huge for something like that to keep track of potentially millions of people. But to record for up to 24hrs, i'm good with that.|
|The posters advocating cameras must be very young, having never experienced the Cold War or repression of the 20th century by the Soviet Union. China must be a myth in their eyes. Wingit3's post reads like a socialist or communist propaganda blurb--I can almost hear the jackboots echoing in the distance. Perhaps they should open a history book and peruse Stalinist Russia. Replace "cameras" with "party members" spying on each other in the name of "safety," "patriotism," and inevitable political gamesmanship. Perhaps I may WANT to hide my actions from a repressive regime. Perhaps I may WANT to hide what I purchase, what I peruse, or what I desire. Then again, according to the "world by wingit3," I MUST be paranoid.|
For wingit3 and others of this ilk, Ben Franklin's aphorism says it best: "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
|Okay so everybody knows the cameras are off; whats to keep some one from stealing them? LMAO...|
|posted by (2012-12-30 00:11:07)|
|C'mon Wingit & Co. Get real, why do you think these little plonkers wear baseball caps and hoodies. CCTV on the streets is totally useless, there are 100,000's of cameras and only 100,s of operators to monitor them. Should they actually film a crime they can't identify who it is because the cameras can only look down onto the cap and hoodie. Forget the billions spent on technology bought thanks to back handers from the companies and use the cash for Police on the streets. Fight real crime that hurts you and I, instead of wasting money on so-called piracy. I don't personally give a flying fart that Hollywood lost a few million due to piracy, but I do care that my shed was broken into and that my neighbours daughter was assaulted because there aren't enough Police on foot patrol.|
|posted by (2012-12-30 01:00:58)|
|Jaws remake stalled! Movie crew eaten once again. More news at 11 o`clock.|
|You can not even go in the woods and whack the monkey anymore let alone pound your girl friend there might be a squirrel watching you with a government official on his back taking photos for extratorrent.com|
or even worse an animal lover saying your driving the
beasts of the Forrest insane with your animalistic???(look it up) behavior.
|36 new digital cameras.Oh!!!!!! I'm shating in my pants.|
|orbital motorway? hold on to your minds, what's it orbit around? prince Charles bed OMG, what and ugly vision to have in one's head.|
|paranoia run's deep,just ask Uncle Sam he's got a plan for everything in the world that does not suit the American way of life.Dam someone's at the door,Shat!it was just the boogeyman brought my bag of weed,and some brownie's don't worry they're all over 18.|
|THAT WHY THEY EAT 2 DAMM MUCH DAMM DONUTS COPS GET 2 DAMM FAT LOL|
|posted by (2012-12-30 05:39:57)|
|So what's the cost of purchasing, installing and maintaining what is essentially road art?|
|posted by (2012-12-30 06:32:01)|
|can br hrouht now they need a spy cam bond lolz but still it is coz of again..... tak a line ( the cameras had caught no speeders at all)|
|posted by (2012-12-30 07:52:09)|
|Thanx sam for the article, they use speed camera in my home just to raise money.|
@wingit3, Black_Blade, frostystones many studies have shown that CCTV has no real effect on the crime rate but makes it easier to catch the criminals after the fact. You would be better giving the money for the cameras to the poor. You are using a website that is used to pirate copyrighted material- which means you have something to hide! Your government should be scared of you not the other way around.
|@firefoxsniper. London. It's only probably the most famous motorway(car park) in the world but then being a dum yank you wouldn't realise things exsist outside the good old US of A|
|posted by (2012-12-30 18:00:03)|
|In the UK cameras that record you and you are not breaking the law then you have the right legally for that footage. Nobody knows this so no one uses this to protect themselves perhaps anonymus can start a campaign. Operation get your image or something|
Please come out of the history & step into the present.
Ben Franklin too would have changed his aphorism if he was living in the present times.
Nobody is taking your individuality so stop shaking in your boots, you're just camera-phobic, you're not the only one under observation ya know(the cameras are not focused only on your ass) so just deal with it like others do & stop bitching about it already.
At-least they wear those baseball caps and hoodies. Before CCTV, they used to roam around freely like the other innocent bystanders. Those baseball caps and hoodies sure do make'em look suspicious don't ya think?
Also, I'm pretty sure that you pay more attention to those with baseball caps and hoodies as compared to others without them. You can be more alert & aware in the presence of such plonkers, isn't that helpful?
Reality Check:- Most people wearing baseball caps are not plonkers.
There are enough operators to monitor them & they can always rewind/zoom to look more carefully. Even if they can't get a clear face lock on the criminal's face due their cover-up using caps & hoodies, they can always look for the other details such as body measurements, skin color etc....
Police can't practically protect everyone cuz there ain't enough man-power & hence the cctv cameras for protection & tracking purposes. You know you can always join the police force to fight crime & help increase the man-power(even by 1) instead of complaining & bitching about it.
I think those cameras serve 1 more purpose, to prevent little fockers like you from doing something nasty in public OR damaging public property.
Your Entire comment is FUBAR & I'll show you how.
1) I don't know which world's OR universe's studies have you read cuz the studies of this world clearly indicate that CCTV cameras have helped reduced the crime rate by 20% approx. starting from 2006 in busy stations of many countries.
2) Giving money to poor is not gonna help them cuz no matter how much money you give'em, they're just gonna spend it & beg for more cuz they don't know how to earn it. The better thing would be to help them educate & teach them how to earn money. Money should be spend on such teaching/educating/helping programmers instead of just giving it away to them.
3) Yes we are using a website that is used to Pirate copyrighted material BUT for non-profit purposes & that is permitted in many countries.
4) Govt. should be scared of us?????? Let's see how you scare them when they come marching off with guns to arrest your sorry ass? [Even though it's not gonna happen]
|Black_Blade, I strongly disagree. In fact, a quick reading of Franklin's writings would reinforce and allude to an emphasis on liberty in modern times, particularly given our ability to communicate instantly.|
As for historical perspective, I firmly believe that Franklin would agree with George Santayana:
"Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
Emphasis being on the last sentence. Human history has shown time and time again that exchanges of liberty for safety have, in the end, resulted in a people subject to some form of oppression.
Also, a government SHOULD ABSOLUTELY be afraid of its people, with a corollary being a limited government by the people for the people. The United States (US) Constitution establishes that as its underlying structure, with emphasis on the Bill of Rights (first ten amendments), which is intended to be taken as whole and not in parts. Unfortunately, the US has swayed more towards the social democracies (or socialism) prevalent in the European States and Australia.
It can be argued this causal migration to increased governmental control within the US and Europe is a result of sheer sociological, political, and economic laziness. The attitude of believing one automatically deserves something, or the government should "take care of them" is madness.
|I live in a cave,does this apply to me?|
|posted by (2012-12-31 01:51:17)|
|@ Black Blade, wake up and crawl out from under that rock you're hiding, all the kids from high crime areas wear hoodies good and bad so you can't tell them apart. I live in such an area and believe me the police can't be bothered to spend hours trawling through CCTV footage of lo def film watching kids who all look a like. Have you ever seen UK film footage from these cameras? you couldn't even tell if it was your own mother. Check out this quote: "Use of CCTV images for court evidence has so far been very poor, according to Detective Chief Inspector Mick Neville, the officer in charge of the Metropolitan police unit. "CCTV was originally seen as a preventative measure," Neville told the Security Document World Conference in London. "Billions of pounds has been spent on kit, but no thought has gone into how the police are going to use the images and how they will be used in court. It's been an utter fiasco: only 3% of crimes were solved by CCTV. There's no fear of CCTV. Why don't people fear it? [They think] the cameras are not working." Why should I join the Police? I did 13 years military service helping protect the world. Not sitting on my fat a$$ trolling about things I have no idea of.|
More training was needed for officers, he said. Often they do not want to find CCTV images "because it's hard work". Sometimes the police did not bother inquiring beyond local councils to find out whether CCTV cameras monitored a particular street incident."
|posted by (2012-12-31 05:09:31)|
|@D4T4 and @ironwarrior, I would not waste my time communicating with the likes of Black_Blade with regards to this matter. Although I'm sure he/she would like a hypocrite object to being spied on and prosecuted whilst downloading torrents, People like that will never respect your preference not to be spied on by cctv cameras etc. Instead they choose to deride and belittle and throw accusations of paranoia to reinforce their own stance on the subject, and in doing so perhaps sealing the fates of their children and grand children and so on. Such short sighted narrow mindedness. The slow steady inevitable crawl to complete domination by governments over the common people may end up being unavoidable due to people with such accepting attitudes. Like the frog who didnt know it was slow boiling to death untill it was too late. Lets try for better days.|
I thing you need to lift a rock from over your head cuz it sure is preventing your brain from understanding things around it. Telling them apart was never the point, being beware & cautious around such people was the point, since they are forced to cover their faces with those caps & hoodies, all thanx to those CCTV Cameras. Talking about the quality of those cameras, I agree with you on that one, the footage is unusable & users often have no idea of how footage will be played back as evidence in court, but that doesn't mean that they are worthless, it only means that CCTV Technology needs to be made more efficient so that it brings major benefits to public safety and lead to even more effective crime reduction than before. The National CCTV Strategy goes on to recommend changes to the way CCTV is monitored, including giving greater powers to the Information Commissioner and using the Data Protection Act more effectively. Such ideas have been welcomed by the BSIA, who described the report as a “significant step forward”. “CCTV technology is now very much part of our everyday lives and it is essential that its potential is maximised for the benefit of all." But the review, which ultimately recommends more funding for CCTV in public spaces, was lambasted by Shadow Home Secretary David Davis.
The most narrow & closed mind person over here is you. CCTV cameras are used to spy!!!!!!!! Oh! Please, only camera-phobic people like you say that while being under a constant(yet disturbed) paranoid state of mind. Your comment clearly states what kind of person you are, never seen an insecure person like you who thinks that govt. is slowly laying traps over them & narrowing their freedom & the others who follow are walking right into their trap while being unaware of the dark & evil intentions of the govt. I can either laugh OR feel pity for the likes of you. Just keep thinking what you think, maybe you'll be the savior of mankind when the Govt. finally shows it's fangs & claws & try to have all of us in it's clutches & then rule over us with dictatorship. You might also get the chance to say "See, I told ya this was going to happen eventually but you never listened". You know what, you are like those homeless street people who always keep protesting/warning others on roads & street corners, while holding boards in their hands with signs & taglines written on them that say "Doomsday is upon us" OR "Govt. are Alien Invaders".
Why don't you join them?, you'll fit right in perfectly.
|posted by (2012-12-31 13:52:29)|
1) A search on google showed most studies for the last 10 years agree with what I wrote. CCTV on street corners just moves some of the crime to the next corner. You accuse me of making studies up, so show me the studies which state a 20% reduction in crime.
2) There is more then enough money to go around. I agree with educating people but your views on humanity are just plain sick.
2) wingit3 stated that he had nothing to hide, I was pointing out that using a torrent website is something he would like to hide from some agencies. How do you know that everyone here is not making profit from what they are doing?
4) The example you have stated is the reason government should be scared of you. Politicians take notice of protests and they come begging for votes every few years, write to them and they will reply- one person can make a difference.
You have attacked me and others on a personal bases, why? Maybe you should have a good long look at yourself in a mirror and question what kind of a person you are.
1) Just type the keywords "cctv cameras crime rate" on google search bar & take a good look at the pdf file which will probably be the 4th last link on the 1st search result page.
2) I don't recall stating my views about Humanity.
3) Using a torrent website isn't something to hide & besides the authorities/agencies are very well aware of the statistics. Also, majority of uploaders don't make profit out of what they upload/share & i know this because i'm an uploader myself(not surprised that you didn't noticed it up until now). However, the torrent website owners is a diff. case.
4) That was a scenario smartypants & what the hell is this?:- "Politicians take notice of protests and they come begging for votes every few years, write to them and they will reply- one person can make a difference." FYI I know this but my question is that, how the hell does this relate with what i said?
Yeah i agree that i attacked many including you & i sincerely apologize for that, i kinda get carried away sometimes.
About that looking into the mirror stuff, guess what, i did looked & found out that i am a better person as compared to all of you(the ones i attacked ) in terms of social views.
|@solyd. Please explain how a cctv camera can catch me downloading here on ET.|
@D4T4. You have my deepest respect and thank you for your Service.
I have to say that every cctv monitoring room I have ever been in, the cameras are HD and have been used to catch criminals. Criminals are generally stupid and most are caught because the hoodies and caps are emblazoned with company logo's. One such was caught because he had his name printed on his hoodie.
There is a town in Florida called Ybor City that was unsafe at night with drug pushers, muggings,even in the daytime. It was a no go area. Now after cctv and face recognition, it's safe to walk around there any time of day or night and anyone with an outstanding warrant can be arrested in Ybor City.
@ Black_Blade. Well done. You said better than I could have. My typing speed is about 30 words a month..
|posted by (2012-12-31 20:18:56)|
Read my comment again, Just the part where I stated "spied on by cctv cameras ETC" etcetera, as in every way imaginable that we are probably spied apon, ie, google search history data bases, emails, mobile phones, satilites, endless internet spying software, cctv... and on and on and on
|posted by (2012-12-31 20:58:43)|
Thats a lot of insults in one sentence towards someone who never even communicated with you. That Itself speaks volumes. Shelve your anger, relax, I have no time or inclination to attack you, even now. I save my energies for anything more positive.
For the record, I dont believe for one minute that you are blind to the myriad of ways that we are all observed by governments, corporations, etc, etc. I believe you just have an opinion/belief and as you have 'proven' and 'demonstrated' right here, choosen to force it apon others through derogative comments, insults, accusations etc, it really is negative. You could just pass your comment and beliefs without insulting others. It's actually very liberating. You may even feel less angry.
My opinions/beliefs on governments is rightly or wrongly based on history. Your opinion on me other than being based on a paragraph is irrelevant.
Best wishes for the new year
|"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."|
Well quoted, ironwarrior!
|posted by (2013-01-01 02:36:49)|
|y are all et articles uk related? wer trying to stay under the radar goddamit!|
|posted by (2013-01-01 04:45:09)|
|@DON Prob becaue admin/mod are mainly british!. You are ALL right because you all entitled to your opinions. if you believe in god then your allready being spied on, so lets concentrate on getting rid of the fake diety's first which cause more problems than unused CCTV.|
|posted by (2013-01-01 09:37:21)|
|@wingit3 Ybar cities crime rate went down due to a teenage curfew, allowing cars back on 7th ave and a bigger police presence. The word CCTV does not appear in any article I just read. Search "1,000 CCTV cameras to solve just one crime|
" In 2007 London had 10000 cameras at a cost of 200million pounds so that's 20million pounds per crook caught. For that money you could have had an extra 4000 police officers on the streets, which do you think will make a bigger difference in the crime rate?
|posted by (2013-01-01 09:39:03)|
1) I typed your search into google and ALL 11 links are against CCTVs with headings like "CCTV boom 'failing to cut crime'" and "Melbourne Police Chief says 'NO' to more CCTV" I can provide you with links to all the heading, yet you accuse me of making things up.
2) You wrote that giving money to the poor won't help because they will beg for more- I call that a sick view of humanity.
3) I agree using torrent sites should not be something we have to hide yet I don't see anyone using there real names here. Again I was pointing out to wingit3 that he does have something to hide.
Don't tell me what I have or have not noticed, you don't know me. I will respond to anyone attacking me uploader or not!
4) You didn't say anything but you wrote "Govt. should be scared of us?" I showed you how.
Thank you for you apology yet I noticed you attacked me again! Again you don't know me, yet you claim to be a better person- you were the one who wrote that poor people are beggars.
|posted by (2013-01-01 10:48:07)|
I would save your energy, anyone who claims via an online comments section, towards a bunch of strangers who disagreed with him/her---
---"i am a better person as compared to all of you(the ones i attacked ) in terms of social views"---
is far beyond any intelligent reasonable civil conversation.
When I read his/her first comment, I took notice of the name, noticed it was green with arrow+, realised it indicated an uploader and I have to say, I'm 38 and in all the years I've been downloading, I have never witnessed an uploader trash talking, ever. Clearly they just dont normally get involved. I find that highly respectable. As he/she has freely admitted---
---"Yeah i agree that i attacked many including you & i sincerely apologize for that, i kinda get carried away sometimes"---
He/she has shamed him/her self. Let him her carry on demonstrating the kind of negative being that he/she clearly is.
|posted by (2013-01-01 10:58:46)|
|For the record, for any **ADMIN** who may be monitoring this comments section, an uploader such as Black_Blade who represents a quality site like EXTRATORRENT who conducts him/herself in this way towards members should be booted off the site. As a representative of the site he/she should be setting an example not behaving like a common internet troll. It does not reflect well on ExtraTorrent having individuals of this calibre in the trusted, respected position of an uploader.|
check out your comment no. 27 where you have clearly mentioned "I would not waste my time communicating with the likes of Black_Blade with regards to this matter" while referring to @D4T4 and @ironwarrior
After reading the the rest of the part of your 27th comment, in which you involved & attacked me indirectly, doesn't leave any room for your non-communication excuse.
Then you said "I have no time or inclination to attack you, even now. I save my energies for anything more positive." after attacking me once & attacked me twice after saying it. I found this statement of yours highly inappropriate & amusing at the same time.
The govt. does not spy upon innocent people OK. The govt. uses CCTV only to filter out the criminals, so why are you people panicking if you are not amongst those criminals?
It's for your own benefit, why do you not see that?
Your opinions/beliefs on governments is rightly or wrongly based on history & this is where you are wrong. I keep saying that step out of the past but looks like your medieval mindset in not letting you to do so.
Now coming on to 40th comment, the first 3 lines are a direct attack(which makes it a 2nd attack) upon me which is fine cuz i don't mind but for the rest of your comment, let me ask you this:-
How many comment sections of this group(be articles, forum OR torrent) have you visited so far to make such a bold claim?
& If i have shamed myself(although i disagree with what you said), then you didn't exactly made yourself proud here my man.
As for the 41st comment, that's an attack(3rd attack), again with an indirect approach. It elucidates how badly you want me kicked out of here.
You've shown me a very civilized way of attacking which is quite opposite to my own so thanx a lot & I'll try to remember what you consider an "intelligent reasonable civil conversation".
1) I think i gave you a precise location for the result that i've found. Most of the reports say the diff. is not much noticeable at some places, it does not however mean that they are totally worthless, it only means that CCTV tech. needs to be made more efficient so that it brings major benefits to public safety and lead to even more effective crime reduction than before. Many recommendations have been given such as adjusting the camera position & angle, having more advanced technical crew for monitoring & presenting usable data as court evidence etc...
2) You misunderstood again lol, let me elaborate a bit more so that you understand better. Speaking of poor, I'm only referring to the people who are Below Poverty Line(mostly beggars). Giving money to the poor won't help because they will just spend all the money you give them. Since they don't know\want to earn money therefore they will only be depleting it(by spending on food & other livestock) & once that money is finished, they will come begging for more. The better way would be to spend all that money on teaching & educating such people, learning how to earn money so that they don't have to beg ever again.
3) @wingit3 does have something to hide!!!!!!!!!!!! How can you be so sure? lol. Anyways, only @wingit3 can answer that one for you.
4) I wrote that in context to what you wrote (-_-)
|posted by (2013-01-01 16:37:26)|
I never attacked you at all. Perhaps your sensitivities percieved it this way. I noticed you conducting yourself in a particular manner that many of us recognise and suffer from online and advised the recipients of your attacks (whom you openly admit to attacking) to not waste their time on this matter. At no time did I attack you directly or indirectly. I was very conscious of my choice of words. I may have told the truth and sometimes the truth hurts, but you reap what you sow, you know that. I dont want you removed at all, just someone who you might respect enough, for you to listen to them when they tell you, It's not right to behave in the way you have here. I appreciate your change of tone here in your most recent comment. So maybe I have talked some sense into you? I doubt it. I'm just fed up with trolls hiding behind their PC's causing stress for decent people having civil communications online. And for the record I feel quite proud of how I conducted myself throughout your entire diatribe, considering how I may have interacted in the past before I realised a better stress free way, just dont get sucked into a war of words.
I suggest seeing some kind of councillor for your issue of believing you are being attacked when infact no one is attacking you. I'm sure you will think I am attacking you again right there, but I am infact being sincere. It will improve your character.
Finally, you seem greatful to learn what you believe to be a civilised way of attacking, which tells me more than I need to know about you, therefore I will not be giving you anymore of my time and attention.
|posted by (2013-01-01 16:57:44)|
|most mods are britich YEH RITE! what planet u been on|
|cameras in the UK are not used to prevent crimes, they are only used after a crime was committed and who really knows if they actually help? the people that are supposed to be monitoring them are not paying attention to every camera, they have too many to monitor, and they don't send out help when there is a crime occurring anyway...|
its only after something happens, they go to the video, and see if they can find anything.
|A bit late into the discussion but, Camera's don't stop crime they can on occasion help with a conviction, but camera's are dealing with the effects and are a sad indictment of the state of our society. Camera's are open to abuse, and many people have been convicted of speeding when they actually haven't been. The police in many counties will openly block you on information in order to attempt to secure a conviction, this is morally wrong and shows the methods the law will go to to get £60 off you and help keep the insurance people in jobs and premiums bloated. I dare bet most people in favour of camera's are victims of crime or have had someone close to them a victim but where do you stop. I bet the top corps and politicians wouldn't like to be spied on and they create more crime than most if you relate it to crime per capita. There are many crimes and abuses of justice that do not require a camera to prove it and I for one do not want more camera's.|
|posted by (2013-01-02 04:08:52)|
|WoW about as useless as the ones in the US...as you can't even access traffic cams anymore from the web.|
"It was found out that the equipment was wasted only after AOL wondered which section of the road netted the most cash" exactly Y they wanted them installed in the 1st place LOL.
|posted by (2013-01-02 09:50:45)|
|@Black_Blade In my first post I wrote that there wasn't a great difference in the crime rate due to CCTV- you wrote I was making it up but now you are stating the same. Educating people is commendable and I back you 100% but you also wrote poor people are beggars and I think that's just sad. I wish you all the best in your life but I won't be coming back here.|
|posted by (2013-01-02 09:51:29)|
|@solyd Thanks you for your advice, I agree the comments have become surreal and I am giving up. Thanks again.||
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