Copyright Owners Want Cash Instead of Disconnection for InfringementAdded: Thursday, February 7th, 2013
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Various measures against online piracy have been adopted by a number of countries, including the United Kingdom (which has its DEA) and France (HADOPI). Generally, their regulations stipulate tempering with an infringer’s account up to total disconnection. Copyright owners, however, offer another solution: financial penalties.
Ofcom’s Initial Obligations Code says that ISPs have to send out notifications to Internet accounts alleged of conducting unauthorized activities. In addition, repeat offenders might face the full extent of the law, because broadband providers can send their personal details to copyright owners. In addition, ISPs could also temper with infringers’ connection speeds or disconnect them from the web. This drastic measure could be introduced if notifications appear inefficient in fighting Internet piracy.
French HADOPI, also referred to as the “three-strikes” system, is quite similar to the British Digital Economy Act. However, French activists have been against this anti-piracy legislation since the beginning, and claimed that disconnection from the web constitutes a brutal display of power. In response, copyright owners have come up with a different approach. Media reports reveal that outfits like the Union of Independent Phonographic Producers and SACEM (both of this groups support the country’s music industry) have come up with the suggestion that the ultimate measure (disconnection from the web) should be replaced with a fine of 140 euros. Music labels, including Warner Music, were fond of the idea, claiming that there hadn’t been a lot of repression. They come with a logical explanation of the idea, saying that the main part of their mission has failed. If the public and the industry agree that downloading is against the law, it must be punished, and it is nothing new. That’s why Thierry Chassagne, Warner Music’s president, believes that a system of fines would be more proportionate and efficient in the fight against illegal distribution of the copyrighted works. Actually, it may come true, as the proposal is currently being scrutinized by France’s politicians.
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Thursday, February 7th, 2013
|if they turn my internet off ill just get the film i want from somebody else and not just that ill hide my IP anyway.If they think music and movies is worth dieing for there wrong the only thing i pay for are games because there better than movies.Theres nothing on the internet today anyway all people care about is that stupid facebook|
|posted by (2013-02-07 16:14:53)|
|start by loverign the prices på album DVD blueray going to the cinema etc taht would cut half the piracy down.but no they are a all greedy basters|
|posted by (2013-02-07 16:28:51)|
|hollywood produces 95% of wasted rubbish for the public to go buy dvds and pay silly theater prices...|
and now they want money from the public for refusing to pay 4 the rubbish but download it illegally....
mmmmmmmm simple solution - produce stuff worth paying for then get back to me ...
until then dont bother
|posted by (2013-02-07 17:33:33)|
|Yeah they should give a return on the money you invested to see the product.|
They do reduce prices if you are willing to wait. By opening their prices high and then reducing to low they get the best return as they hit the highest payers right through the entire price range.
|Big industries are always gonna rake in millions, they jus want somthing 2 yap about, the only thing on ther minds r profits !! @Skreamer I agree wit ya .. Key Word in article|
|posted by (2013-02-07 20:41:43)|
|2-3 movies worth watching in cinema per year. Games cca 5. Profit hunger I agree.|
|posted by (2013-02-07 22:36:00)|
|who gives a fk. i download coz i simply can and its free ...so its a no brainer...all this will do is force people to use proxys so they cant be tracked. sooo the industry will end up shooting them selfs in the food cox then they will never be able to track anyone so they will end up going back to trying to shut the sites down. anyone with half a brain will no you will never be able to stop us lol|
|PERSONAL OPION web is here for all .... we realy dont infringe to its sold to make money off copy right friends that gave that loop hole..lol|
|ive been using piratebay and extratorrent with utorrent. I have ATT 300k/bs internet. Ive never been warned and download around 100gbs regularly every month(just from torrents)..wonder why i havent been caught or told on?|
|posted by (2013-02-08 05:27:29)|
|lower your prices and offer better product services and maybe piracy rate will lower.|
|sure dude 2 or 3 movies a year? 95% rubish. keep lying 2 urself. why u dl movies then. and lower the prices on blu-ray? u can get 2 movies in 1 4 5 bucks in the walmart bin. new releases r 15-20 bucks. i have 12 100 stacks of dvds. but i buy the blu-rays when they come out. if every 1 just dl the movies nstead of payn there would b no more movies. they feel threatened by us as they should, but they will win. maybe it takes 10 years maybe less. the best sites have all been shut down. were here on et cuz of that. they wont stop til they win. they hav enough money 2 win. they just dont know how 2 go about it. if they just would release the movies on demand/blu-ray the same day would cut piracy down a lot. would u rather watch a crappy cam or stream it n hd 4 5 bucks.|
|posted by (2013-02-08 13:16:26)|
|One comment makes total sense,mrbunglesays666 makes a great point....release movies on demand and blu-ray at the same time they come out in theaters and I think the industry would make alot of money. Times have changed and you need to keep up with them|
|I agree with mrbunglesays666 and taker,they are cocky and rude and selfish its all money in the end|
|Im sure that this has all been said before. But I love it so I will repost. The industry itself is all up in arms about ppl DL'ing music and movies and such. But how many of us that grew up in the 80's and early 90's remember making our own mix tapes off the radio? Or borrowing a friends tape to dub it. Worked for movies and later on cd's too. I bet 95% of the big wigs in the industry use to do that, and might still have a mix tape or two laying around somewhere. This is all just a ploy to get our $. Plain and simple. Everyone stop buying movie tickets, cd's, movies, and games, and I promise you that within the year, things will have dropped. Prices in half, music and movie ppl suing will stop, and as one person said, might even start releasing shit right away.|
|posted by (2013-02-08 16:44:55)|
|This just comes down to one thing... Companies getting rich and the artist not seeing a penny. I will be going through a VPN so any data that is taken from me will result in an invasion of privacy. And the fine that the MPAA or RIAA will be pennies compared to what I will sue for. We Americans have rights and due process and I will take it to the fullest.|
|When I was 'young' - cd's ran up to 30$!? Can you kids even imagine that!? VHS tapes were higher priced than bluray/dvds... BUT WE BOUGHT EM... mass producing garbage music and movies and switching the mediums on which we view/listen is what's killed the entertainment business. Greed. Greed. Greed. I haven't bought a cd in 15 years AT LEAST. That's a LONG f'n time...same with burning discs. haven't bought a movie in AGES... No point. Greed. Greed. Greed. I remember years ago when the cd's DROPPED in prices down to 12$...now blu ray are 9.99... Who cares. I'll stock up a library AGAIN and they'll switch the format...AGAIN. No. Sorry. I've done LPs, tapes, cd's, beta, vhs, dvd, hddvd, blu ray - the only thing I skipped was laserdisc. Screw hollywood - ive PAID MY DUES...I can dl a movie - I still PAY for the DL (AND the DISC TO BURN IT, If I choose) and keep the avi on my comp forever. I don't need a disc that won't work in a few years and a pretty cover. They've shot themselves in the foot. Prince said "the commercialism of the music industry is what brought it down" - same thing in movies, games, etc etc... Flooding the market with CRAP people won't buy...greed. greed. greed.|
|posted by (2013-02-09 06:18:33)|
|greedy bastards who thinks the moneys collected will never get to the copyright holders; hum i for one do . .|
|They will always complain and we will always find a way around the restrictions. At the end of the day if they made it feasible most people would pay. If I could get full quality rips on the day of release all for a monthly fee of say $20USD I would probably pay it. But they never will it will be decades before they catch up to how people want it now, by then piracy will have moved on, the industry never will. And they complain they are losing money??? Every year multiple blockbusters come out and break records for money taken, they can't fool us yet they try|
|modern day mafia is what they are|
|Mankind is opportunistic. The corporations will try to fleece more money and we will try to evade their attempts. This is true on every level. Is it wrong for either side?...hell yes! But this is all out economic war, and I will always favor my family's welfare over yours.|
|thanx for the post.....reminds me of a funny boondocks episode where they sneak into the theater and the preview before the main movie was about how each time u DL a movie illegally u might as well b shooting a family man in the back.....funny episode anyhow thnx for the article|
|Yeah right, you really think the US broadband providers want|
to lose money and long time paying customers over copyright downloads? The US broadband providers already losing 1000's of customers each month to mobiles and ipads, plus their stocks is falling. Go figure. This been going on for years. oh, in
New York, if you lose your internet, you can easily get back
on under another name.
|The people I know know don't no money, how are they gonna sue, lol|
|posted by (2013-02-10 19:05:57)|
|"Copyright Owners Want Cash Instead of Disconnection for Infringement" this just further proves the point that they don't want justice just money.|
|posted by (2013-02-10 19:16:46)|
|@OvandoFTW: ya that's really odd as AT&T is know to monitor ALL subscribers. they even check your email.|
@The_Ritty: it all depends on were you buy stuff. Ive seen stores sell cd's for $30 still. and yes blurays are also sold for $30+ in some locations. if you are talking about walmarts then you should have a look @ best buy. walmarts will have a cd for $12 wile best buy will have the same thing for $24. I can also go on the web and buy cheaper than walmarts @ some locations. in the US the cheap places to buy stuff is walmarts/sam's club, amazon and newegg or ebay. most other places will OVER CHARGE for profit.
|@the_ritty & taker agree with u 100% bought thousands of £ of videos,cds ect in early 90s paid our dues they just keep flogging some other sh!t.well finger to them think every 1s sick of them now hence the mass increase in piracy|
|One comment makes total sense,mrbunglesays666 makes a great point....release movies on demand and blu-ray at the same time they come out in theaters and I think the industry would make alot of money. Times have changed and you need to keep up with them 2050|
|They need to stop leaching profits from offering only high priced options from first release at movies up until 6mths later when they get released at high retail price.|
I always pay for a genuine copy at the retail stores when i feel the price i'm paying is worth what i'm paying for. Until said time, i download the movies/show i wanna watch for free and nothing will ever change that
|It's always about the money,disconnection makes|
no money,they don't want to hurt their isp
|posted by (2013-02-11 15:58:09)|
|posted by (2013-02-11 19:39:55)|
|Aren't we overlooking something here? The plain fact is that the cost to a movie studio from piracy can't be estimated because many who download movies would never actually go to the theater to see most movies, nor purchase a DVD of a movie. Revenue lost from downloading movies is a tiny fraction of the total profits that a decent movie would generate. Thus, it is much ado about nothing. Don't forget that the movie studios wanted to ban VCR's because the VCR was going to be the end of movies. It turned out that the VCR not only saved the mediocre movies but made them profitable. The movie industry is typically so short-sighted that they cannot think outside the box, like streaming movies a week or two after the movie is available in the theaters in order to capture the potential downloaders' business. One thing is clear -- the torrent community will always be able to evade the studio's snooping with new technology, so the studios need to start using new technology, not fighting it, and capture a market, not prosecute it.|
|posted by (2013-02-12 10:58:03)|
|In Your Face Hollywood you will never get a dime from any of us keep wasting your money LOL.|
|posted by (2013-02-16 03:42:23)|
|who had copy rights win ever and if want royalties,sale or partner court can fix it.|
people don't buy new devices for replace dvd's and companies don't sale it anymore.and,to have high speed for have netflix in each room maybe it no easy for be social or it more important talk at the moon.
law hunt dvd pirates like drugs and web help us for ours packet make us fill since web real humans.
|I've said it before and I'll say it again. People who copy content have been copying content for a VERY long time. I can see how it is morally unethical, but it is certainly not criminal. Selling someone elses intellectual property, or maybe even distributing it with the intent of causing financial harm to the owner of that intellectual property is potentially criminal, but not worthy of a jail sentence greater than that deserved of rape or other far more abhorrent criminal acts.|
My concern with the industry at this point is quality of service. I work hard for my money, and when I choose to spend it, I want to spend it on something I deem to be worthy. So basically the problem is that I am completely aware of the ways in which I can consume media. I can get take a shower, get dress, get it my car, buy petrol, find a shopping center, find a car park, navigate the crowds, find the store I need, search endlessly for the title I want (that is if they have it), pay out WAY too much money for what it's worth on a media I dont want, reverse the above and I'm home watching my movie.
I could turn my computer on, download a safe, quality file which will be compatible forever, from my favorite site that I know and trust, and press play.
I wonder if the "industry" would like to know how much I would be willing to pay for that convenience and quality of service. I can tell you what I do pay.
$60/m - Internet Service Provider
$10/m - Usenet Server
$20-40/m - Random other pay sites requiring one off donations or ongoing fees for wonderful easy to use services made by people who know what they're doing
Plus my PC, Big Screen TV, Surround Sound, A few external HDD's for storage which are infinitely expandable.
I'm sorry... but if humanity is opportunistic, why has no-one tried to snap up this easy money that I'm willing to pay out for this type of service. I AM WILLING TO PAY!... DO YOU HEAR ME!...
I am not... however... willing to pay to fill my nice clean empty walls with plastic that degrades and bookshelves from ikea that disintegrate, on media that becomes outdated.
I have not bought a CD, DVD or Blueray for about 10 years. Dont intend to either. What I would be willing to pay for is a quality service that gives me what I want, when I want it, in a format I choose in an easy to access, consistent format. I have better things to do with my life than farting around with searching for media. I would like to read, learn, discuss, love, and LIVE!
|ps. Where does that plastic go when it no longer works?... landfill... so mother earth takes another one for the team so the head of Universal can have another ivory back scratcher and Angelina Jolie can have another 25mil for her injections, tucks, sucks and plucks.|
|posted by (2013-02-18 11:05:06)|
|I haven't gotten a e-mail from my ISP over "copyright infringement" since I downloaded and installed "Bit Guard". It hides your IP and the problem is solved.|
|1st of all - kydavey, Youre a DUMB A*S! You REALY think you have any rights or claim to any kind of lawsuit?? You forfeit any rights you might of had by hookin up to, broadcasting, downloading by broadband. Someone else owns the equipment, servers, wires and towers youre useing. You have NO rights outside your firewall. ANYBODY, corporate, private or government can and does track, monitor or record anything and everything you do in public air space, right up to your router (and primary IP). INSIDE your router/firewall is your private property. OUTSIDE is totally public, unless youre on a privately owned, SINGLE SIGNAL, SOLID LINE - like dial up. Any broadband is preaty much open.|
|I can say for SURE, cuz I had a looong chat with the super friendly country gal who works at my local SuddenLink office. SOMEBODY was cought useing my network to download Hoodwinked 2 (of all things)from pirate bay - I dont use PB, only extratorrent. DIE HARD EXTRATORRENT!! YOU ROCK!! Anyway, you should only have to worry if your provider is also your cable provider. They have to pay for the rights to show the movies, and with new regulations they are required (by copyright holders) to ensure that the rights they pay for are used according to agreements. If youre web provider is not a cable company, they probably dont give 2 sh*ts what ya do.|
|Anyway, , I get home the other night and my net is off, so I give em a ring. Im told I gotta pay 20bucks for the movie I just bought to get service restored--I dont think so! So I walked the block to chat to the nice local gal who tells me how it all works. The $20 is for the copyright holder, not the provider, therefore, I didnt have to pay it. Only had to promise that Id pay "one o thees days". Service on - instantly. SuddenLink (and others) as a requirement for the rights to the rights, has 2 full time leaches-a small number considering the size of the company. They are given a short, random list once a month, of movies that they pay for the rights to. They hit EVERY torrent site and download one copy from each site, sit back and watch IPs in the swarm, and take notes. They do not record or report IPs that they do not provide, theyre only watchin for their own customers. She said, I can get cut off every day, go tell her that Ill pay another $20 someday, and shell hook me back up. The copyright holder DOES still have the right to press charges, but they wont stick unless that particular movie is found on a system INSIDE my house. They would never be able to get a warrant unless Id been cought HUNDREDS of times.|
|Oh, yeah, , And, by the way - IP swaps, or proxys are absolutely 100% effective - and recomended. ESPECIALLY IF YOUR PROVIDER IS AT&T (@OvondoFTW, , , You listenin??) Unlike SuddenLink, AT&T keeps records of EVERYTHING. They may not even tell ya youve been cought till youve racked up a few. Anyway, I use AnonymoX (along with other measures), and for 6 bucks a month, , I LOVE it. The BIG trick is - your camo, swapper, whatever form of invisability you use MUST be on the LAST device (actually 1st) before your signal leaves your home-router, server? If youre comfy in your home on your laptop (say, comp#3of5) loaded with privacy, but your signal still goes through a server or router before flying away, then your privacy programs are worthless. The LAST device on your network that your data goes through, typically a router, WILL rat you out and give away your primary IP. Your screen back in your bedroom may show a different IP, but it only looks that way INSIDE your firewall. The numbers after that last dot dont mean anything to anybody but you, cuz your last device is gonna give em a .001 anyway..... USE EM, USE ANONYMOX, USE BIT GUARD, USE SOMETHING.. JUST MAKE SURE YOURE USEING IT PROPERLY!! And Happy Seeding, ExtraTorrent.||
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