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Copyright Owners Charge Restaurants for Playing Music

Copyright Owners Charge Restaurants for Playing Music

Added: Saturday, August 14th, 2010
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BMI (Broadcast Music Incorporated), a performing rights outfit demonstrates how it can convince the owners of restaurants, clubs and all other establishments where copyrighted tracks are played or performed.


Broadcast Music Incorporated can win a title of the most ruthless outfit, with its licensing executive Devon Baker, illustrating how far BMI can go to make sure all the venues where copyrighted works are performed pay the mandatory licensing fee.

For example, they demand restaurants to pay a fee of $5.45 for live music, $3.15 for enhanced record music like Karaoke, $2.65 for plain recorded music and $1.70 for TV or radio. The rates are set per occupant and are calculated on the basis of the maximum occupancy of the location, even if it doesn’t in fact get filled. However, the top limit of the amount the performing rights outfit is allowed to charge is $9,000 per venue per year.

Earlier, BMI had 14 branches all over the country working towards enforcing licensing fees, but later it has downsized and switched to use the Internet and other means of communication to tell establishments of the country that they have to pay a fee to get a permission to perform copyrighted music. Of course, the web has made the outfit’s life easier because businesses usually advertise online.

The licensing executive admits their job is quite a tough one, as the business owners don’t like them (surprise, surprise) and even threaten their lives. However, the group’s Senior VP explains that their work is not intended to prevent the owners from the use of copyrighted tracks, but rather ensure they pay what performers are rightfully owed.

A bright example of how far BMI can go to control venues all over the globe is its Blue Arrow system. It has a database of 500 TB of music able to recognize 8 million tracks and is used to monitor websites, TV and radio stations all over the world. The system can identify if it’s a copyrighted track being played as fast as in 2 seconds.

This approach can pose a serious risk for everyone in terms of how and when people can use copyrighted music. Some critics fear that soon we will find ourselves in a world where every single use of the copyrighted music is charged for. BMI was among those arguing that a ringtone, played in public every single time a user receives an incoming call, was a public performance and had to be paid for.

August 14th, 2010

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Date:  Saturday, August 14th, 2010

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posted by Blocked (2010-08-14 23:51:05)
menahunie avatarThey do this dispite even when the "music" that is played has bee purchased from a store? cd, etc?
Think then you take a date to a nice restaurant and a person is playing the piano and you get the bill and see a "music" charge on it.. That would piss me off and I wouldn't go back to that restaurant..
This si getting way out of hand and way beyond common sense.
Think that the day is coming that you hear anything; say an advertisement you are going to have to pay to hear it.. Hmm maybe That part I could live with NOT. I do not want to give these assholes any chance to get their foot in the door.
Has anyone really really asked the "artists" what they think about all this crap? The vasy alienation of their fans and clients=$$$$....

posted by Kitty (2010-08-14 23:57:15)
Daewoo avatarThere has always been a charge for playing music on business premises. That is (one way) how musicians get paid. I see nothing wrong with that. This is not news.

posted by ET junkieET lovermenXbox (2010-08-15 00:53:07)
d321 avatarWhat a bunk of douche bags. When is enough, enough? Thanks for the read SAM.

posted by (2010-08-15 01:33:44)
mickdrift avatarThis has been going on for years in Australia, what's really the news, is that the annual premium has gone from around $70 to $1500 per annum, around 2000% increase in one year. And they now have officer's going around busting business's without the license. We used to pay it, but now we have ripped out the speakers from the ceiling to prove we don't play music.

Three words "Blood Sucking Leeches"

posted by Blocked (2010-08-15 02:10:30)
menahunie avatarDaewoo - I don't know what restaurant you go to; but the one's I've been to don't add a music charge to the bill.
Yes you pay the pianist; they ask you with that bowl on the piano and they give you a choice. If they are good they get paid. But to require me or others to pay a FEE that you have no idea where it goes?
The bowl on the piano YOU KNOW THE ARTIST GETS THE MONEY not some asshole claiming to represent them in an organization; that was done by the mobsters with the Unions..

posted by (2010-08-15 02:14:49)
dougie avatarIts not added on the Bill any shop , Restaurant Premises etc has to pay a license fee if they play music . Even all the superstores clothes shops etc if they play music your meant to have a license by law ...This has been around ages and is not

posted by (2010-08-15 06:37:35)
messiahx4ever avatarI KNEW there was a reason I kept the receipts for my karaoke system in the case I carry the board and mixer in. I was playing an outside party in a public park in a pavillion that was rented for the occasion. Some pudsmack showed up and told me he was with an agency that "policed" places that played music, live or otherwise, and wanted to know if I paid my "fees". I showed him my receipts for the music and equipment and told him to drop to his knees and start to please because I already owned the music. He started to argue again and I told him to either walk out now or I was going to throw a major beating of biblical proportions on his greedy, money hungry butt, along with my service dog and two friends, he left. We played our three hours, got paid, and went home. I own Knyghtwolf Karaoke, the name, the business and all that is used for said business.

posted by Kitty (2010-08-15 12:01:35)
Daewoo avatar@menahunie, I get your point of view, but see it from the other side. What about the guy who 'wrote' the song? As a Musician I write a song and record it. I sell the song to whoever and get paid a pittance. But i'm told that there will be royalty payments due when ever my tune is used. Public Performance = If the song is played by a Business that turns a profit. I can sit in a restaurant with no music and i know that I'll think the ambiance was missing, so I'd go elsewhere where there was music. Drones in a factory are kept sane by piped music, the staff are more productive. At the end of the week everyone gets a pay cheque except the me. So the music, MY music is contributing to the owners profits. He eats, the public eats but i starve. I do agree that the massive hike in fees is criminal. I ran a cafe for a while and had to pay a license for the Jukebox. It brought in customers. Everyone needs to live.

If nobody wrote music anymore, everyone would miss it big time as it touches everyone's lives. I pay all tradesmen but it seems its ok to shaft the song writer. I'll admit the current method in the digital age is broken and lopsided.

posted by Blocked (2010-08-15 15:16:10)
menahunie avatarDaewoo - then you had better get off your knees and quit giving the RIAA a BJ..
You complain you are not getting money for your song?
Then your songs must not be very good then??
If you can even understand english; re read my post about the money bowl on the piano...
The piped music in a factory is from a radio station most likely and your are telling me I have to pay for THAT...
Then go cry to the radio station that played your music which was provided to them by the record company...
Go get your money from the record company; but you are whining they are not paying you? BooHoo.. Your an idiot and don't have the brains as other "artists" and selling direct to the public..

posted by Turtle (2010-08-15 16:20:34)
D4T4 avatarThanks again Sam. Could this be another of those "only in America" moments. To the best of my knowledge, and I have traveled extensively, in most countries in the civilised world a license is paid in order to have any form of music or entertainment in an establishment. Music only license is obviously cheaper than one which includes TV for watching sport etc. The proceeds of which are divided up as royalties between the various companies. Of course we pay for it as the costs are forwarded onto the price of your beer or food. Seems a more sensible and workable route to take as opposed to trying to calculate monies for every song that has been played on every jukebox etc around the country.

posted by (2010-08-15 16:42:02)
iwillkillall avatarit costs 110 quid to join the bmi to collect royalties...most musicians will never see a penny from these chaps however...as 95% of the royalties go to the big 4 music publishers......will they ever stop not telling the truth ?....the bmi must at some point admit who thier real clients are...cause its not musicians

posted by (2010-08-15 16:48:12)
iwillkillall avatarand i have a business model that would seriously mess with them....a cafe can easily pay 3/4000 quid a yr to these idiots...how bout a creative commons subscription service...say 20 quid a month gets them access to thousands of tracks that have been released under the creative commons licence terms....anyone got half a million to set it up ?

posted by (2010-08-15 17:22:56)
geology_guy avatarWe should boycott all music, whether purchasing or listening for at least 1 month. We are the true power and if we open our eyes and grow some balls we would be in control.

posted by Blocked (2010-08-15 21:57:36)
phoenixcrash avatar@DAEWOO: you are one arrogant, retarded S.O.B. BMI is nothing but a bunch of money-grubbin' fags, who while they claim to represent "artists", never intend on paying "artists" a penny of anything they manage to collect. If anything, BMI should be paying the restaurants that play the music, as doing so is clearly advertising and promoting that artist's music. I am a recording artist myself, and I intentionally release my music on Bittorrent sites for free promotion. Hell, I have gone to a strip club and found them playing one of my songs. Did I jump up and demand that someone pay for using my music in their establishment? F#CK NO!!! People even asked the D.J. for the name of the artist and track title, which equals FREE ADVERTISING for me. Has the establishment made any profit from my music? The answer is NO. No one, and I mean NO ONE, came to that establishment to hear my song. Hell, if anything, it scored me a free lap dance. It amazes me how greedy some people are. That greed is what will soon tighten the noose that is already around the neck of anti-piracy groups such as BMI. @geology_guy: I don't know about boycotting the listening of music for a month, but not buying any? I'm down for it. Starting September 1st, I will NOT purchase any music for a month. In fact, if anyone can find a list of artists who support what BMI is trying to accomplish, I suggest we boycott the sale of their music by pirating the sh!t out of it. Some of the comments here seem to condone this type of bullsh!t, suggesting that this is the "way it's always been". F*CK THAT!
You idiots are part of the reason BMI feels that it can pull stuff like this. If you came into my restaurant and informed me that I am to pay you for playing some worn-out track from a cd I bought ten years ago, I wouldn't "threaten your life". I'd break that cd in half and shove the shards directly up your a$$. Like geology_guy said: "Grow some balls" and be in control. "Where will you be at the end of our days? Just following the footsteps let the liars lead the way" - Chad Gray.

posted by (2010-08-16 00:51:22)
mano1438 avatarA load of crap!!....one already pays so much for music, in the price there are revenues, taxes, surcharges and everything deemed necessary, then come other licenses that have to be paid to municipalities and /or governments, this is a total rip off from all sides!!....who can afford to have a business now days when the states are the first to rob us!!
They tried to raise these same fees in South Africa, in Namibia and in Spain and no one took any note, and those who did joined forces and will be going to court with these so called companies that want to exploit by all means.

posted by Kitty (2010-08-16 15:08:14)
Daewoo avatarWhy is it that because someone disagrees with your point of view, the swearing starts? Are you arseholes so stupid that the only way to get your point across is to insult someone? Can't you cunts have an adult conversation without swearing? How about using civil language to get your points across? Too mature an idea, i guess.

PS menahunie It's a 'figurative' song you pick. I'm not a published Musician. So carry one shafting the song writers. Everyone has to start somewhere. You must have been born an expert in being a Moron.

posted by (2010-08-17 01:16:15)
fluffy75 avatarHere in the USA any place I have worked that plays music either uses a service tailored to business (satellite), or they pay nothing and take care of the music themselves. Next time you drive past a restaurant such as Mcdonalds, Steak-n-Shake, Applebees, look on the roof for the oddly shaped dish. That is the business class "piped in music" receiver.

posted by (2010-08-17 09:15:23)
jammybaby avatarThey do this dispite even when the "music" that is played has bee purchased from a store? cd, etc?
Think then you take a date to a nice restaurant and a person is playing the piano and you get the bill and see a "music" charge on it.. That would piss me off and I wouldn't go back to that restaurant..
This si getting way out of hand and way beyond common sense.

posted by (2010-08-17 11:40:40)
evilmother avatarok next its going to be a jackof going to the beach busting ppl for playing there raidos so loud were others can here
o you need to pay us for entertaing others with our tunes Give me a brake i would like to see were the money gos they get like was said how much do the record comps get and how much gos to the band .Hell i bet we wold be better off if the MOB ran it

posted by (2010-08-18 10:02:14)
spiritchaser5150 avatarHell I can't believe that restaurants have to pay anything. Why should they have to. When I see the BMI ceo's at the restaurant serving my food or doing my dishes then yes they will get paid like everyone else at the end of the week on payday for the job they performed

posted by Blocked (2010-08-18 15:54:24)
menahunie avatarDaewoo - Yo? sukmukdik... LMFAO ya got the point now or does ur girlfriend use a strap on on ya... cherry boy... Oh and I did not use any bad words...

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