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ExtraTorrent.cc > Articles > “RED” Leaked Online But Has Been Sold Well

“RED” Leaked Online But Has Been Sold Well

“RED” Leaked Online But Has Been Sold Well

Added: Tuesday, October 26th, 2010
Category: Bit Torrent Freedom > Movie Reviews
Tags:ET, p2p, Torrent, Piracy, Peer To Peer, Network, Hackers, Internet, BitTorrent, Google, utorrent, bitcomet, extratorrent, 2010, www.extrattorrent.com
One of the most frustrating things about file-sharing is that a lion share of what we know about it is based not on only on real numbers but also on the beliefs and suppositions. The figures provided by the pro-copyright groups such as the MPAA or the RIAA are largely unreliable, while the unauthorized nature of peer-to-peer networks makes it impossible to estimate any volumes by file-sharers themselves.


Both sides usually have different facts and ideologies, with copyright owners arguing that each download is counted as a lost sale and pirates claiming that file-sharing increases overall awareness. That’s why it’s always extremely interesting to observe some real-world testing.

Now we can observe a bright example of how illegal file-sharing influences the revenues of copyright holders. The movie “RED” was released a few days ago – quite a big budget action movie starring Bruce Willis. However, several days before the premiere a screener copy of the movie could already be found on the most famous peer-to-peer networks. Usually, the largest movie studios try to do all they can to prevent such leak, believing that the availability of a movie “for free” would lead to a drop in box office. But this very case proved such belief incorrect, revealing that RED did quite well at the box office, getting over $22 million for the first weekend, coming in 2nd to the Jackass 3-D.

As it was mentioned earlier, there’s actually no real way of estimating how many users downloaded the illegal copy of the movie within the week prior to its release, though the evidence suggests that it was an impressive number. In fact, RED was the top downloaded film for the second week of October. The Pirate Bay also shows that one of versions of the movie has more than ten thousand seeders at the moment.

The figures show it’s clear that the studios can easily compete with free, which is proved by Red’s successful box office. LA Times analyzed the movie’s opening weekend and made a conclusion that it did very well with older audiences, notably because the word of mouth was strong – this is proved by a 25% increase from Friday to Saturday sales.

All this shows that the community doesn’t have the needed hard data to clearly prove the things argued by file-sharers or copyright owners. It’s only clear that everyone should definitely be very wary of what figures are presented to us, and therefore be careful about any conclusions drawn from those figures.

October 26th, 2010

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Date:  Tuesday, October 26th, 2010

Comments (8) (please add your comment »)

posted by (2010-10-26 11:22:47)
Brynn217 avatarI said the same thing to a few friends of mine... I watched the screener that weekend, but I have also directed a few people to go see it when they told me they were headed out to the theater.... (ie: I saw it, its a good movie...)

They have no way to gauge the postive feedback they get from people like us... But its can't be their typical piece of sh!t since they will not get any positive feedback...

posted by ET junkiemen (2010-10-26 20:37:44)
milo33 avatarThanks for the post SaM, INTERESTING READ !!

posted by ET junkiemen (2010-10-26 22:36:37)
4GET avatarred is agood flick iv seen it too somewhere' with todays climate some people cant go to the theaters take a big family of say 3 or more thats big bucks that can put food on the table not popcorn coke. tnx sam

posted by (2010-10-27 06:05:14)
pjth avatarRed is a Movie where you don't feel cheated when you pay the ticket.
that put aside,I strongly belief the Movie industry looses nothing due to P2P. the TYPICAL file sharers doesn't go to the movies. he doesn't by DVD's and wont spend more than the rental cost if he does watch a movie, but he prefers to borrow it from a friend or the public library for free. so how can you loose something that you don't have in the first place.
maybe Hollywood feels threatened because P2P allows you to make a choice if it is worthwhile to go and spend your money for the big screen. In most cases it isn't so make better movies and remember what your industry is. Hollywood exists to entertain us and if you do that we buy your DVD's go to the movies and send our friends without feeling guilty to the movies. coming back to red. YES i have downloaded the screener, I watched it and i liked it. I did go to the big screen to enjoy it. I WILL BUY the blue-ray when it comes out and i will ad it to my collection because i feel entertained.
the only capability Hollywood is loosing is to sucker people into the movies with ads that have no real connection to the rest of the movie. Crap like Killers and Knight and Day etc. deserved what they got. The entertainment industry is frightened of the consumer that has a choice and that is it in a nutshell.
same with the music industry. produce music people want to hear and buy. music where you want more quality than what mp3 can deliver and your sales would not suffer. keep producing the rubbish you a trying to push now and you will loose. take into account you will never stop downloads no matter what you try. 3 strikes etc. is a joke for every downloader. the more hype you create about making it difficult to download the more programs are coming out that make it impossible for the industry to catch you downloading. stop one site three others come to life. the battle is senseless. rulings like in Spain where a judge decided P2P is just a more efficient way of lending books movies and cd's to each other should have brought the message home. find a new business model and embrace P2P. that however would mean that somebody has to get up in the morning and show up to work and not let the intern do what you are supposed to do.
i would even pay for the download a reasonable fee so that i have the possibility to chose what i go and see in the theater, rather then listen to some overinflated ego of a critic who thinks he can decide what has to entertain us. we decide and we have the right to decide. if the entertainment industry would come up with the concept i refund you your money for the ticket and pay you extra compensation for the popcorn and parking plus the time you wasted if you walk out before the middle of the movie i would stop downloading. that will never happen and neither can torrents be stopped. no matter what the industry does there will always be people that will not spend a dime for entertainment, simply because they don't have it. those are so called customers you have never had and never will have therefore they are no customers. concentrate on something worthwhile and make better entertainment. maybe invest into some decent acting academies where some of your wooden young stars actually learn their craft and send out talent scouts that know talent ore can even hear if a band is out of tune.
its time for the reality check and that means stop fighting windmills. if you don't know what i mean read a book called Don Quixote of La Mancha. I'm sure there is a torrent out there you can download it from. i personally believe it belongs into every personal library. it's money well spend.

posted by (2010-10-27 06:17:12)
pjth avatarone more thing! RED was estimated to make 20-25 mill in the first week by the studio! 22 mill. is right down the middle of the expectations.
I wonder if the concept of good acting good directing and excellent cut still works. to me it sure looks like it does.

posted by (2010-10-27 16:25:10)
majuryni avatarThanks Sam...Enjoyable & informative read.

posted by (2010-10-28 01:41:47)
carlbandit avatarIts total rubbish that torrents lead to a loss of sales, i went to the cinema to watch RED today, i could have watched it at home for free but since it looked good and i had been told by several people (all who watched a illegal version) that it was good, if it wasent for them recomending it than i wouldent have gone to see it and if it wasent for torrents i doubt they would have seen it so thanks to torrents they actualy made more money

They just dont like that they cannot just release any crap these days since someone is bound to watch a copy version and spread the word about how crap it is :)

If they produce good films they are going to make a profit, if they produce crap they deserve to make a loss because than they will put more effort into there next film so they make more profit or not get 2 direct any more :D

Thanks for info Sam

posted by (2011-03-05 13:17:50)
Slimjim avatarFilm making is like any other product on the market, if it's good it will sell, if it's a turd it won't.
I can't remember the amount of films that looked good in the trailer, as they all do, but seen them here 1st, and thought to myself, many people paying to see this will be highly disapointed.

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