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ExtraTorrent.cc > Articles > Debt Collectors Joined Anti-Piracy Battle

Debt Collectors Joined Anti-Piracy Battle

Debt Collectors Joined Anti-Piracy Battle

Added: Tuesday, November 2nd, 2010
Category: Recent Headlines Involving File Sharing > Current Events
Tags:ET, p2p, Torrent, Piracy, Peer To Peer, Network, Hackers, Internet, BitTorrent, Google, utorrent, bitcomet, extratorrent, 2010, www.extrattorrent.com
The anti-piracy fight began with the lawyers and politicians lining up with them later. Today the circle expands, involving debt collectors, ready to come after file-sharers alleged of movie piracy, even prior to their day in court.

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An organization calling itself the CEG (Copyright Enforcement Group) explains at its website that it specializes in media rights enforcement. This group appears to advocate the use of debt collectors even prior to date when the courts have handed out any ruling against suspected copyright infringers. As it was revealed recently, a copy of the company’s "service contract" was obtained by press, where the conditions the Copyright Enforcement Group offered to client copyright holders were specified.

The agreement reads that in case the opposing parties don’t pay the rights owners in full, they may grants power of attorney to the debt collectors and instruct them to continue both the further recovery and enforcement of claims for payment through debt collection formalities and legal procedures.

It seems like there’s something like a new tactics is applied to the subscribers accused of unauthorized movie sharing through P2P networks, in the event that they refuse to settle out of court with rights holders. Normally, the lawyers working in this field prefer to take the suspected copyright infringers to court, and thus far none of the other organizations have ever involved debt collectors to the battle.

Nevertheless, the Copyright Enforcement Group is a kind of taking quite an aggressive stance. When their leaked contract was seen by other lawyers from the movie industry, those were deeply shocked, doubting if such tactic was legal.

Meanwhile, it remains unclear who exactly was behind the Copyright Enforcement Group. The representative of the group in some legal dealings was Ira Siegel, a Beverly Hills-based lawyer, earlier in October filing a lawsuit against more than 1,500 suspected content pirates. However, Siegel admitted to only take part in the lawsuits for the Copyright Enforcement Group, therefore making a suggestion that someone else at the organization was responsible for other business aspects.

From the leaked service contract it is also unclear whether the debt collectors are supposed to be used for administrative purposes or for employing heavy-handed tactics.



By:
SaM
November 2nd, 2010

Posted by: 
SaM

Date:  Tuesday, November 2nd, 2010



Comments (9) (please add your comment »)

1
posted by Blocked (2010-11-02 11:54:17)
menahunie avatarI went to these pricks web sit and found this:http://www.copyrightenforcementgroup.com/index.html
Peer To Peer Collect
The flagship service of the Copyright Enforcement Groups allows content owners to monetize peer-to-peer (P2P) activity and realize revenues from an unexpected source, internet piracy. Infringers are tracked 24/7/365, automatically receive a “pre-settlement” offer by email and process payments or purchase goods via Copyright Enforcement Group’s branded collections website at www.copyrightsettlements.com.


Content
Audio, Video, and Text

Coverage
24/7/365 coverage of peer-to-peer protocols (P2P) such as BitTorrent, eDonkey, Gnutella, LimeWire, Ares, Kazaa.

Pre-Settlement Options
Monetary fines, hard goods purchases (DVDs, CDs, Books, etc.) and digital content purchases (video files, audio files, ebooks, etc.)




How Peer-To-Peer (P2P) Collect Works



Step 1 - Upload & Track
Content is uploaded to the tracking system and monitored across multiple peer-to-peer protocols 24/7/365. When an infringement occurs evidence is collected and placed in a queue for authentication.



Step 2 - Authenticate & Notify
Infringement evidence passes a strict multi-stage authentication process involving steps such as fingerprinting and visual authentication to eliminate false positives. After authentication, collection notices are automatically generated and emailed to Internet Service Providers (ISPs) and individual infringers.



Step 3 - Enforce & Collect
Infringers receive a notice via email that directs them to Copyright Enforcement Group’s branded collections website www.copyrightsettlements.com which contains a “pre-settlement” offer to pay a fine or purchase goods. Once a settlement is paid or goods are purchased the infringer is released from liability and the collection is split between the copyright owner and Copyright Enforcement Group.

If an infringer doesn’t pay the settlement or ignores the notice CEG’s in-house legal team takes over until a collection is realized.

From what I read they upload "content"? If this is true they make "content" available for downloading; then claim you violated what? Copyright?
If that is true then this is either entrapment or how in the hell can you violate "copyright" as they claim in their warped minds and then extort money from you or else when they provided the "content" for you to download.
Then they send you a violation notice for money; then if you ignore it they what? Screw your credit history by claiming a bad debt?
If any of this is true and I have read it correctly this is extortion;intrastate wire fraud, and violation of the FDCA ( Fair Debt Collection Act ) and RICO Act.
Appears they are what; Losing in court so they are now trying to get around a court?



Here's what resolves to their domain:
Registrant:
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: COPYRIGHTENFORCEMENTGROUP.COM
Created on: 12-Sep-09
Expires on: 15-Aug-11
Last Updated on: 15-Aug-10

Administrative Contact:
Private, Registration [email protected]
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2598

Technical Contact:
Private, Registration [email protected]
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2598

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.CEGWEBHOSTING.COM
NS2.CEGWEBHOSTING.COM

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posted by Blocked (2010-11-02 12:15:35)
menahunie avatar>>>>>> Something is really screwy about this web site - THERE ARE A WHOLE LOTTA COMPLAINTS ABOUT THESE PEOPLE BESIDES THIS "copyright" thing.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
480-624-2599 has been used by a company calling itself funds777.com. Do a google search on both to find more detailed info

Domain: funds777.com

Date Registered: 04/25/10
Date Modified: 07/30/10
Expiry Date: 04/25/11
DNS1: pns1.trellian.com
DNS2: pns2.trellian.com

Registrant

Domain Park Limited
Hostmaster Hostmaster
Level 2, Lotemau Centre, Vaea Street
Apia, (WS)
0815

Administrative Contact

Domain Park Limited
Hostmaster Hostmaster
Level 2, Lotemau Centre, Vaea Street
Apia, (WS)
0815
[email protected]
420603822657


Technical Contact

Domain Park Limited
Hostmaster Hostmaster
Level 2, Lotemau Centre, Vaea Street
Apia, (WS)
0815
[email protected]
420603822657


Registrar: abdomainations.ca


Here's is another web site and I'll stop: http://www.alabamaconsumerlawblog.com/
From what I have found If some one I know gets one of these morons letters of extortion; I'l give my opinion to put their leagl boot up the butt of this "Copyright Enforcement Group"..

Article:
October 26, 2010
Movie Studio's Collection Agency Violates FDCPA

Update as of November 1, 2010. Dale Spislander, in public relations with the Copyright Enforcement Group, contacted my lawfirm to say this about Copyright Enforcement Group (CEG):

We repeat: CEG does not practice, has never practiced, and will never practice a debt collection model.

Mr. Spislander referred me to the original article on CNET which contains this update:

Update: Dale Spislander, a spokesman for Copyright Enforcement Group, contacted CNET on October 27 and denied that the group had created a contract that included terms regarding debt collectors. The group does acknowledge, however, that the contract in question was distributed by Ira Siegel, an attorney under contract with the group. Spislander said that CEG does not use debt collectors.

Here is the original post:

The Michigan Collection Law Blog has posted an interesting article about a debt collection company that is hired to pursue the violators of movie studios' copyright laws. The collection company, named the Copyright Enforcement Group, seeks to obtain money damages from people before a judgment is issued in court.

Many people aren't aware that this area of debt collection is actually covered by the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act, which applies to "all debts incurred by a consumer for 'personal, family, or household use'." The Copyright Enforcement Group has just been very fortunate so far that they haven't tried to collect from someone who was fully aware of their rights under the FDCPA and also filed a lawsuit.

Many of these debt collectors are not training in the FDCPA and they are going to get into trouble. For example, under he FDCPA, the debtor has a right to demand validation of the debt. The debt collector then has to provide validation that the debt is owed and to whom the debt is owed. One large problem with collecting this sort of an obligation, is that there is no debt established yet. Violating one's copyright is actionable, without a debt. However, until a court actually reduces a studio's claim to a dollar figure, the debt collector cannot validate a debt because there is no number to attach to that debt.

If you have had problems with debt collectors, or have been harassed by one, and have questions or concerns, feel free to contact us through our website or by calling 205-879-2447.

You can join our Facebook Fan Page - Alabama Consumer Protection Attorneys where we share useful information about the same types of issues that we cover in this blog.

You can also sign up for our free email newsletter sent out every Thursday morning - we cover topics such as the one in this post. We would love to include you! Just fill out the form below:

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posted by (2010-11-02 18:08:45)
macbeth avatarhaha that is so hardxcore failage, they cant handle it so they try and get other ppl to piece up the drity work, the fools

4
posted by Blocked (2010-11-02 23:21:50)
menahunie avatarWOW what is with ET???
I just got a warning for swearing?? Wow using the word H*ll is bad???
Has anyone heard what comes outta da mouths of seven years olds today? They put me to shame..

5
posted by (2010-11-03 06:22:23)
spiritchaser5150 avatarNice one Sam and thanks for the additional posts menahunie. Very useful info. Love the last original post and yes it is extortion.

6
posted by (2010-11-03 16:51:29)
No avatarThanx Sam, and I love you menahunie, very much admire your passion, and yes this could be serious trouble.

7
posted by (2010-11-04 10:59:33)
CommanderKeen avatar@ menahunie I have never understood the sensitivity of words that some people take offence to.
How can the name of a fictional place be swearing, and why is it ok to say H*ll but not the full word. I am an atheist so why should I not have the right to use any religious term I like? As I don't believe in God how can I be blaspheming? Why should the sensitivity of a few affect menahunie from giving vent to how they, and many others, feel. Menahunie is a very prolific, and knowledgable, subscriber of information, and should be supported by ET not castagated over one word. I don't always agree with what is said, but I always enjoy the rant. Keep it up menahunie!

8
posted by (2010-11-04 16:52:54)
BenjaWiz avatarDebt collectors?? hilarious what a waste of time that will be LMAO.

9
posted by ET junkie (2011-09-15 20:42:26)
motoxxxx avatarJeez, now debt collectors...it doesn't get any scummier then that! More dirt bags finding ways to make money for themselves.



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