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Mulva1989 avatar
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 04:33
Author: Trusted UploaderSite FriendET junkieET loverGirl
Faithwyn wrote:
The Original poster never mentioned MP4 files.
My Samsung TV doesn't "PLAY" anything, we have DVD players,
Computers, or even VHS players for that. My "TV" simply displays
whatever I feed into it. Blaming the Encoders for your own lack
of knowledge will only keep you forever in ignorance.
Kinda like getting mad at the Music industry for not releasing
the latest Albums on cassette! LOL

Well I don't know Faithwyn.. I seems somebody did get mad enough :P
http://metro.co.uk/2016/02/22/calling-all-hipsters-cassette-tapes-are-making-an-unexpected-comeback-5710233/

ange1 avatar
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 11:59
Author: ModeratorET lover
asok_the_defiler wrote:
Uh no. Do a simple Google search for Samsung Smart TV's and MKV files and have a look at the hoops one has to go through to get them to work...sometimes.

I use Plex, for my own reasons, but it doesn't matter what application I use to stream to the TV, Samsung TV's have A LOT of problems dealing with MKV files. So, I could spend hours upon hours remixing, transcoding, and fixing MKV files, and some of them might work, eventually. Or I could migrate my entire library to a whole new streaming app (of which there are few that are compatible with my TV) that MIGHT work. Or ExtraTorrent could continue to offer MP4 and AVI files that work every time without any headaches at all.

I gotta tell you, I really don't get why you all think it so unreasonable that we want options besides MKV, when it's common knowledge that they're difficult to work with. MP4\s and AVI's work everywhere, with everything. MKV's simply do not, despite whatever advantage you think they offer.

Again, don't fix what ain't broke. You've been offering these file formats for years, why would it be a problem to continue to do so?

Just wondered have you tried this one to stream to your tv. Nice Program and works fine for me :) i actually prefer this to Plex :)


http://serviio.org/

Maybe try it to see if it would work :) Good luck :)
Faithwyn avatar
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 18:50
Author: Trusted UploaderSite FriendET junkieET loverGirlSunTurtle
I'm kinda surprised that we don't see more films in x265 HEVC.
I've experimented with it, and it seems I can reduce file size by
up to 30% with no loss in quality. After doing a search here it
seems that only the Porn uploaders have really embraced it.

The last file format I ran into that made me have to stop and think
was AVCHD, VLC will play those images but without any extras like
menus, chapter markers ect.. but I found a player that would.
OU812 avatar
Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 07:03
Author: Blocked
I have a reasonably new 65 samsung smart tv that can be pretty stupid or at least selective when it comes to mkv file format so I mostly try to avoid them. Which is why I also have a WD TV Live device as an alternate streaming method and though that works at times, sometimes it doesnt handle MKV files at all.

Now with recent advances in 4K and HEVC H265 file formats, i am again faced with the limits of my technology, so I am also now looking for an alternative to having to purchase a new TV to replace my already new TV.

staying current actively involved with technology is getting to be more work than, than i spend on my relationship! And she aint to happy about it.
ozi avatar
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 03:34
Author: SuperAdmin
the scene will never switch to x265 time = money slow encoding for them means a lot of groups will loose money to competitors
the only way the scene will switch to x265 is if there is no compression at all on releases which makes x265 useless because its years away from being universally compatible keep in mind that the more memory a container uses for playback the more power you consume x265 is a memory hog

you save more money by buying a few external hard drives or streaming devices and sticking to less memory hogs like x264
bluray movies that use x265 are still raw vob files meaning compression is very little they dont consume a lot of power
but those super compressed mkv x265 increase your power bills if your living at home with mom and dad that pay the bills fine
if you have a life away from your parents then avoid super compressed x265
Faithwyn avatar
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 03:51
Author: Trusted UploaderSite FriendET junkieET loverGirlSunTurtle
Well, the 'experiments" I did do involved a series of animated
films I was going to upload. Noticing that x265 HEVC is still
not widely used I did a lot of research & reading. What Ozi says
is of course true, not that I give a Rats Ass what the "Scene" does,
it was the encoding time that bothers me not the power, 6 hours for
a 90 minute film is absurd. I did learn that "Flat" Animation is the
ONE place where x265 does very well. My test encodes went fairly
fast with great quality, but you lose any gains when dealing with
anything shot on Film. Being hard-headed I tested that too.. and yup
it's not yet worth the effort. Then of course there's still folks
with decoding issues or this thread wouldn't be here. Taking this into
account I went ahead and encoded my lil' animated films in x264 to avoid even that issue. I did use a .MKV container tho! Muhahahaha!
Mulva1989 avatar
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 04:21
Author: Trusted UploaderSite FriendET junkieET loverGirl
ozi wrote:
the scene will never switch to x265 time = money slow encoding for them means a lot of groups will loose money to competitors
the only way the scene will switch to x265 is if there is no compression at all on releases which makes x265 useless because its years away from being universally compatible keep in mind that the more memory a container uses for playback the more power you consume x265 is a memory hog

you save more money by buying a few external hard drives or streaming devices and sticking to less memory hogs like x264
bluray movies that use x265 are still raw vob files meaning compression is very little they dont consume a lot of power
but those super compressed mkv x265 increase you power bills if your living at home with mom and dad then they will pay the bills
if you have a life away from your parents then avoid super compressed x265

Hmm you know what I never even considered the "scene will never switch to x265" notion. It does make sense though... the roughly 20-30% size reduction isn't enough to make x264 obsolete. Internet speeds keep getting faster and data storage per MB keeps getting cheaper.. So in essence one could conclude that the longer it takes h265 to become universally compatible to decode and encoding speeds get significantly more acceptable (that by more efficient encoders or hardware getting much cheaper), the more insignificant its superiority over h264 becomes. At that moment the power consumption is gonna be the most significant difference, since it doesn't look like energy is gonna get cheaper in the near future.
Mulva1989 avatar
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 04:55
Author: Trusted UploaderSite FriendET junkieET loverGirl
Oh and as per Faithwyn's remarks "not that I give a Rats Ass what the "Scene" does"...

I agree with that to the extend that we shouldn't let the 'scene' dictate how we do stuff in the land of the living. And we shouldn't see the 'scene' as the almighty or anything. But we should acknowledge that they are the largest and fastest supplier of new content to the world of 'illegal filesharing'. So we don't have to like or agree with them, but we should appreciatie the impact that their action have. It's like porn sector.. Say about them what you like, but since every new generation of optical format wars is pretty much always won by the party with which the porn sector sides, you have to at least acknowledge their impact.
Faithwyn avatar
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 05:00
Author: Trusted UploaderSite FriendET junkieET loverGirlSunTurtle
Exactly! Do a search here on ET for "x265" The Porn guys sure seem
to be happy with it!
Mulva1989 avatar
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 05:21
Author: Trusted UploaderSite FriendET junkieET loverGirl
Faithwyn wrote:
Exactly! Do a search here on ET for "x265" The Porn guys sure seem
to be happy with it!
Yea but thats why I was talking about optical formats there. When talking about digital formats, there doesn't have to be 1 universal format. Unlike optical formats people don't need to have different players for 265/264 (265 requires newer hardware, but everything that plays 265, will play 264 just fine). H265/H264 can live coincide eachother in p2p world without problem. Until the scene switches to H265 though, it will always be in the shadow of H264. But the longer it takes for H265 to come out of the shadow, the less great it's practical advantage over H264 will be as I explained above. and the scene will be the deciding factor in how long this will take. That kind of was my point.
Faithwyn avatar
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 05:42
Author: Trusted UploaderSite FriendET junkieET loverGirlSunTurtle
asok_the_defiler wrote:
What's not to love? What's not to love?!? How about the fact that Samsung TV's won't play MKV files, and we have to spend hours converting MKV files to the damned MP4 files we're asking for here.

The original question was, why aren't titles being offered in MP4 format anymore. Extolling the virtues (false virtues at that) of MKV files doesn't in any way answer the question.

For some of us, it's not that we prefer MP4, it's that we can't use anything else. So, when you guys get the idea to respond, telling me to use something else, try to understand that I'm not about to buy a new TV, just because you don't want to offer MP4's anymore. Ever heard the old saying, if it ain't broke, don't fix it? Why drop MP4 in favour of something that doesn't work for a lot of people?

Here's a link that explains some of the "why"MKV vs MP4
and as stated earier it seems it's not the TV but the portable device
being used that lacks the decoder needed for .MKV files.
I think we went through this a few year back when the manufacturers
of DVD players stopped including decoders for MP4 files.
I have stacks of DVDs with 4-6 movies ea. that would play in my old
$50 Phillips box, but wouldn't play in newer high priced machines.
I haven't bought a BD or DVD player in ages so I don't know if that's still true.
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