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netcobold avatar
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 15:35
Author:
oooppsss, didn't see your post Obs, sorry. probably overlapped. Anyway, thx for responding, clarifies things for me. Although some points could be discussed too ;-)
No avatar
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 17:34
Author: Blocked
netcobol wrote:
In addition, the codec does not necessarily implicate the source

Correct. Yet what does "implicate the source" is the title. If it's titled a BDRip = It's from a complete retail (30+GB) BluRay source. If it's title BRRip = it's from a Scene BluRay (4-12GB) which is ALWAYS x264, only p2p will do an XviD BluRay....

So that is the best way to determine it. I'll do BrRiPs <<< But I'll do them XviD. Can you tell it's any less quality than the H264? No. Want some examples? Here:

Nine.Miles.Down.2009.BDRiP.XviD-ExtraScene RG
fbd19284snapshot20.jpg


Nine.Miles.Down.2009.1080p.BluRay.x264-THUGLiNE
15q67f4.png


Nine Miles Down 2009 BRRip H264 Wrath
BHjFXYY3.png

These are all the same flick. x264 by THUGLiNE is the original source, for both me, and Wrath.

You can clearly see there is not much of a difference in quality at all.

Here's another XviD BrRiP I did:

Dragon.Hunters.2009.BDRiP.XviD-ExtraScene RG
f2613f9snapshot20.jpg

bc98f57snapshot20.jpg

faf210d6snapshot20.jpg

Those are also an XviD, from a BluRay Source.

So hmmmph. What else can I say?

How about a VERY Old Cartoon?

How.The.Grinch.Stole.Chirstmas.1966.BrRiP.XviD-ExtraScene RG
c5485361snapshot20.jpg

f4addeafsnapshot20.jpg

1966. Older than me. Also from a BluRay source, encoded to XviD.

See?

So in reality the quality count will be no different. It's all about the encoder. Not the codec :)

netcobold avatar
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 21:18
Author:
I don't want to argue with you on that - for sure it's all about the encoder. Would look all the same otherwise, wouldn't it?

Your samples look realy great - all of them. No offence, but I'd like to add 'here' - at the size of a cigarette pack. What I meant and cannot tell without downloading all three for comparison and due to obvious lack of experience (why I'm here and thankful for your response and explanations) is, if there would be a difference if you watch and compare them on a 50" 1080p HD TV. And somehow I am in doubt that a picture with half the resolution or even less will be, can be of the same viewing quality there. The comparing pictures from the same encoder, of course.

Nine.Miles.Down.2009.BDRiP.XviD-ExtraScene RG - 720x400

Nine Miles Down 2009 BRRip H264 Wrath - 720x304

1080p - 1920x1080



How I understand your arguments, and please correct me if I'm wrong, is that you and a few very talented and hart working encoders/artists who's work I do appreciate very much - no misunderstanding here, are capable of producing the same quality at a lower resolution than less blessed encoders achieve with higher res. It doesn't mean - and I think it even proofs my case - does the quality would not be better or even clearly better (on a big screen) if the talented encoders would also have gone for higher resolutions.

Not for all movies perhaps. I just think that there are a few movies out there, the viewer realy would benefit from or even shouldn't be watched in lower quality at all. Again, please keep in mind that I am talking of large screens. But maybe it is not worth the effort, maybe that's not how the scene works or what the market is asking for, maybe you would need the original BDs and don't have them always, maybe I belong to a minority with an 'exclusive' taste.

I try to imagine: you, Wrath and the other few real artists here using their talents doing 1080p encodes! I would be in movie-torrent-haven :-)

Wish you all a very Merry Christmas.
netcobold avatar
Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 12:20
Author:
I have been reading around in the forum a little and did see only now that the hot-torrent issue is discussed some place else already. My apology for being slightly off topic here, you might want to move the last posts (from Sun Dec 20, 2009 19:07) to the 'HOT Torrent / Featured Area' topic to make the different positions available to the existing discussion.
thx
No avatar
Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 14:07
Author: Blocked
Something else I might add is, as unique as each encoder is, we each have our own standards, and "trademarks". My trademark has always (the majority of the time) to try and reach the smallest total file size (700mb DvD's / 1400 mb BrRiP's) as possible. While yes I can reach 1080p resolutions, I would have to make an extremely large file size to do so.

Let me break it down for you...

I can easily do a 1080p movie @ 700mb. The thing is, each file size and resolution blend, determine something called QF (quality frame / quality factor) and this is determined mainly by Bits/(Pixel*Frame). The deal here is, if you use a high res, with the small file size, you will lose a great amount of QF. The QF will determine what some call "pixelation" or "blocky" appearances, and this is something I carefully avoid. Also doing a high res such as 1080p and trying to reach those small file sizes, will leave an outcome of a very low bitrate for video.

While I do have some tricks ;) for allowing myself to have a higher bitrate, at the same time, I cannot afford to lose that QF from my flicks, in order for them to be "high quality" rips. So in doing a "PROPER" 1080p release, you would absolutely have to have the correct file size. Some would use a bit-rate calculator, some use their head ;) but either way, that higher file size is something I tend to avoid.

I try to myself, get a great quality picture, a great file size, and a nice resolution. Again all of this depends on the encoder.

Just thought I'd add a little more hopefully you learn something :)

OBSCENE
netcobold avatar
Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 19:03
Author:
Thank you for the lesson Obscene.
xxxOBSCENExxx wrote:

...that higher file size is something I tend to avoid.

I try to myself, get a great quality picture, a great file size, and a nice resolution.

While you are working on finding the best compromise by being willing to make certain concessions, I am not. I was too though as I was younger. As I was younger, when I had $100 to spend for a weekend, I would try to get as much out of it as possible, making compromises in numbers and taste for drinks for example, looking at the price tag first before ordering, even would base my decision on it and I would have had a good time, it would give me pleasure.

If I go out these days, having $100 to spend, it might just be enough for one or two good drinks, certainly not enough for a good bottle of wine. Would it be better still to try to get 5 bottles of wine or 10 drinks out of it? Those two drinks do give me much more pleasure and I do believe the $100 are spend very well. And I rather skip one week and safe the $100 to get a good bottle of wine in the following week instead. This simply has developed over time, it wasn't a conscious decision.

But enough the parables. Would you say that if you would do a 1080p encode and by applying your quality standards (and your tricks) that the file size would be bigger than, let's say, 4-6gig? Can I apply a proportional calculation like: normal encode ca. 700x350 = ca. 1.5gig = ca. 1/3 of "full" resolution = 1.5gig x 3 = file size for "full" resolution encode = ca. 4.5gig? And if so, would this be an unacceptable file size (considered the higher quality/resolution)? Maybe it could become the new compromise ;-) Or would it 'nonproportionally' blow up the file size? Than from the other angle: Would aiming at a file size of 4-6gig allow you to achieve the famous 'Obscene' quality?

Although I do respect your quest for what you feel the best compromise, I will not give up mine. At the end the question stays: what is all the fuss about BluRay and HD-TV, anyway?

netcobold

netcobold avatar
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 16:03
Author:
"At the end the question stays: what is all the fuss about BluRay and HD-TV, anyway?"


my apology, this was meant to be a little bit cynical. What I meant is that there is a reason for that Billions and Billions of Dollars are spend around the world on this new technique - by industries, tv stations, content providers and consumers. Because it is the superior experience and therefore the future, I am convinced. But you are right BlueLady:

quote: ....so you got a top of the line Hi-Def TV, and your playing a reduced quality DVD on it...perfection can never be reached in a situation such as this..

a) exactly! that's why I do not download DVD rips (if I can avoid it). And if I do, let's say for informative reasons, I do delete it ALWAYS after I've watched it. If I liked it, I will wait to get a BD high res encode. If I am really impressed by it, I will buy the original BD. And I never do watch a cam - ever! It would be like tormenting myself and I am not into MS.

b) but you can try to get as close to perfection as possible. For the ultimate experience you would have to buy the original BD - what I do for the Movies which are important to me and/or worth watching them in the best possible quality (I do have ca. 30 original BD and ca. 500 DVD's). With no intention to offend, but did you ever watch a original BluRay disc on a large high def TV? And with a good home theater audio system? Especially if you would try content like Blue Planet, Earth or epic movies. I somehow doubt this reading your comment, so my advise would be: try it! Just once. But be warned - there is a good chance you get hooked ;-)

c) even a "small" but high quality, high resolution BD encode of about 4-6gig is of much better viewing-quality on a large high res screen than a regular DVD.

Everything produced and screened in HD looks tremendously better. Personally, I even watch the news in HD because if I turn in to a 'regular' channel, it looks somewhat 'blurry' now and I have the feeling I would need glasses.

Watching a low resolution encode on a large high resolution screen - even if coming from a BR/BD source and done a high quality encode - is similar to watching a poor cam on a regular screen. You might get the story, but hey - would you really say you have seen the movie? Did you really enjoy it as watching a movie should be? I don't have much time to watch movies, so if I do - than it should be the best possible experience, visually as well as audiowise. So that I can enjoy with all senses possible. That's what watching movies means to me. Anything else is just a waste of time and you are better off with a book.
JoeBonanno avatar
Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 17:26
Author:
I'd like to suggest two suggestions to the site i like and i care about....

1. I'v noticed on the uploads most of the comments are only thanks and appreciations for uploader, encoder or both...
and the comments are barely included information about the upload quality - movies or any other uploads.
But, if we assigned a counter only for thanks and appreciations:-

___________________________________________________

THANKED BY: JoeBonanno (statuses), ...., ....
___________________________________________________

and the comments features will be assigned only for information and questions that are related to the upload.
******************************************************************************

2. For each uploader it has to be a feature that allows the site to send him an e-mail automatically every time a comment is posted in his uploads.
because sometimes a member has some upload-related questions that need answers ASAP.

******************************************************************************

Thanks and regards
No avatar
Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 00:25
Author:
Hi
Im new to the site and world of downloading!

I have to say what a site, so easy and helpful,with easy access.
Cant suggest anything at the moment but to keep up the good work
abhi4991 avatar
Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 18:32
Author:
Hello !

I am new to this site but had opened account few months ago due to request by a friend to me but during that time there was no right end ads. When I came yesterday onl9 I was astonished to see this dirty ad bcoz if the children will see that ads it will have a major impact on them. Maybe on their studies, tutions, homework etc. so there parents also cannot understand what is wrong with their child/children. So I request EXTRAtORRENT team/members to quickly remove these dirty ads & to prevent these such ads in future.

Thanks & Regards =-=
abhi4991
cyberartist avatar
Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 18:57
Author:
Hey Boss - what about more information on members underneath our avatars - nothing too personal - maybe location - number of posts - reputation points - where it could be more easily seen. Or would this defeat the purpose.
Also - after I log in - if I hit SUBSCRIBES - I get NO POSTS TO SHOW - doesnt bother me cos I get it from the bot in my inbox but I think this would be a helpful feature to turn on.
I wouldnt mind the provision for a signature in posts - whether text or graphics - although I know that wopping big signatures can easily turn into ads and ruin the look of the site. Food for thought perhaps.
So while Im being a pain in the ass with me little christmas list here - what about a dedicated forum for our gamers to post in. I think there are probably more than enough gamers here to sustain it - maybe we could exchange tips - troubleshooting - cheats are always good to have - all kinds of stuff relative to games - both console and pc.
Anyway - I have no complaints at all about ET - I really dig it here and everybody has made the old cyberartist most welcome and I have got much great advice in the short time I have been here. Cheers.
ET THE PLACE TO BE
bluepeas avatar
Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 20:57
Author:
abhi4991 wrote:
Hello !

I am new to this site but had opened account few months ago due to request by a friend to me but during that time there was no right end ads. When I came yesterday onl9 I was astonished to see this dirty ad bcoz if the children will see that ads it will have a major impact on them. Maybe on their studies, tutions, homework etc. so there parents also cannot understand what is wrong with their child/children. So I request EXTRAtORRENT team/members to quickly remove these dirty ads & to prevent these such ads in future.

Thanks & Regards =-=
abhi4991

Hello abhi4991..get the VIP & it'll go away! I had the same problem. Matter of fact a group of my son's pals dropped by & yelled, "YOU'RE WATCHING PORN??!!" Bewildered, I followed their eyes & seen they were looking dead at my screen w/ ET's ads. Their crushed & confused expression instantly turned into drooling over the women but I was so embarrassed. It's not mentally healthy to spring that type of stuff on kids or teens when it comes to "parental figures" they look up to as decent, intelligent human beings, lol. I advise you to get th VIP. ET is well worth it ;)
sam_code4u avatar
Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 21:13
Author: Trusted UploaderSite FriendET loverSuperman
bluepeas wrote:
abhi4991 wrote:
Hello !

I am new to this site but had opened account few months ago due to request by a friend to me but during that time there was no right end ads. When I came yesterday onl9 I was astonished to see this dirty ad bcoz if the children will see that ads it will have a major impact on them. Maybe on their studies, tutions, homework etc. so there parents also cannot understand what is wrong with their child/children. So I request EXTRAtORRENT team/members to quickly remove these dirty ads & to prevent these such ads in future.

Thanks & Regards =-=
abhi4991

Hello abhi4991..get the VIP & it'll go away! I had the same problem. Matter of fact a group of my son's pals dropped by & yelled, "YOU'RE WATCHING PORN??!!" Bewildered, I followed their eyes & seen they were looking dead at my screen w/ ET's ads. Their crushed & confused expression instantly turned into drooling over the women but I was so embarrassed. It's not mentally healthy to spring that type of stuff on kids or teens when it comes to "parental figures" they look up to as decent, intelligent human beings, lol. I advise you to get th VIP. ET is well worth it ;)

$5 is nothing with respect to what et provides us...!
and it's a torrent site not a religious site..! lol :)
so, you don't have to be here whole time..! and if you are a downloader i bet you don't stay here more than 15 minutes and when you are in chatroom you can close that ad immediately and it will disappear till you stays in chat room :)
so, cheers bud ..!
have fun :)

sam
º(extratorrent 2010)©º
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 21:20
Author: Blocked
Quote:
$5 is nothing with respect to what et provides us...!
and it's a torrent site not a religious site..! lol :)
true true 5 $ is not alot but if you can come up with some other adds that can pay the same amount porn/sexy girls do then pls say so here and we will change it asap but atm porn adds pay is so great and it help us stay alive well were a publick tracker/site so thats why we have those adds so we stay alive if thats a joke thats totaly up to you.i agree its nothing for kids but at the end off the day its up to the parent not us if they see them or not

Quote:
So I request EXTRAtORRENT team/members to quickly remove these dirty ads & to prevent these such ads in future.
like i said if you can show us adds that pay the same porn do we will change it if not its gonna stay sicne we need to money to keep server up
sam_code4u avatar
Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 21:30
Author: Trusted UploaderSite FriendET loverSuperman
taker wrote:
if you can come up with some other adds that can pay the same amount porn/sexy girls do then pls say so here and we will change it asap but atm porn adds pay is so great and it help us stay alive well were a publick tracker/site so thats why we have those adds so we stay alive if thats a joke thats totaly up to you.i agree its nothing for kids but at the end off the day its up to the parent not us if they see them or not

amen..!
taker wrote:
we need to money to keep server up

100% true :)

sam
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